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Jumpseat/Non-Rev Foul Alleghany/Piedmont

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One of my roomates lives in Harrisburg PA and commutes with you all of the time......it is his way to work. Without fail your crews have been courteous and professional up until a couple of days ago when he tried to come to RIC for reserve.
He listed as a non-rev but as a courtesy he said hi to the crew. The Captain of the flight asked him where he worked......it is Trans States. When he heard the news he promptly told him to get the fu&* off his airplane. My roomate thought it was a joke and asked if he was......he was not. He was told that there is a note in the crewroom in MDT that states that Alleghany/Piedmont crews shall from now on REFUSE the jumpseat to all Mesa and TSA crews. He went back to the gate and the agent was stunned......since he was listed as a non-rev and some communication back and forth.....the captain let him on.

Couple of problems I have with that. One of them is not the PIC authority to refuse a seat to ANY passenger.......it is his right. But I shiver at the fact that crews would actually take it out on one another when in a way.......neither has any control (or very little) over what mgt sets as rates for routes and such. We are ALL trying to feed our families at a job that we love.

Another is just common-courtesy......bad form in this situation. There must have been a better way of doing this...if it was right to do in the first place. I guess maybe reciprocal agreements should be written for each crew?......come on give me a break!!

I have never even HEARD of such a thing coming from an alleghany crew.......not even close....so I hope it is not the norm........or that letter is not reality.

Trans States is not the enemy here.......Mama U MGT was the one that could not steer the ship right for decades.

And lump us together with Mesa?........Different animal here. Most Mesa crews that I have been in contact with have never done such things to fellow pilots that it seems that you have done.

Is it the fact that we as regional pilots are fighting over the same small piece of pie.....or the fact that most pilots at regionals now never expected to stay as long as we have just cause...I remember when 2-3 years and out to the majors?

Not to worry though.....the judge will dictate your next contract.......sorry for the cheap shot.......

Regardless.......I wish you all the best.be safe.....and let's keep things on the up and up eh?
 
Well if you want to bring up stories about Piedmont/Alg. I have one about a TSA Captain also. During a flight from Knoxsville to CLT the flight was full and the gate agent asked if we could take a Jumpseater! Of course we can, however who does he work for? TSA! Okay, no problem, send him out.

When he came out he had a TSA ID however worked on the American Airlines side of things. Now that was a problem because we can only take US Airways Mainline, US Airways WO's, and US Airways Contract Carrier pilots in the cockpit only! This dude threw the biggest cry baby fit!!! He really represented ur group well! The PDT Captain even called SBY to asked if the guy could ride up front with us, and they said NO WAY! If he was with the US Airways side no problem!

You have to remember when your a contract carrier and work for 7 different airlines you dont get privileges on all of them, just the one you work for!

And dont worry, whatever the judge puts on us will effect you as well!!
 
he'll make his way onto my list

jjetpilot said:
One of my roomates lives in Harrisburg PA and commutes with you all of the time......it is his way to work. Without fail your crews have been courteous and professional up until a couple of days ago when he tried to come to RIC for reserve.
He listed as a non-rev but as a courtesy he said hi to the crew. The Captain of the flight asked him where he worked......it is Trans States. When he heard the news he promptly told him to get the fu&* off his airplane. My roomate thought it was a joke and asked if he was......he was not. He was told that there is a note in the crewroom in MDT that states that Alleghany/Piedmont crews shall from now on REFUSE the jumpseat to all Mesa and TSA crews. He went back to the gate and the agent was stunned......since he was listed as a non-rev and some communication back and forth.....the captain let him on.

Couple of problems I have with that. One of them is not the PIC authority to refuse a seat to ANY passenger.......it is his right. But I shiver at the fact that crews would actually take it out on one another when in a way.......neither has any control (or very little) over what mgt sets as rates for routes and such. We are ALL trying to feed our families at a job that we love.

Another is just common-courtesy......bad form in this situation. There must have been a better way of doing this...if it was right to do in the first place. I guess maybe reciprocal agreements should be written for each crew?......come on give me a break!!

I have never even HEARD of such a thing coming from an alleghany crew.......not even close....so I hope it is not the norm........or that letter is not reality.

Trans States is not the enemy here.......Mama U MGT was the one that could not steer the ship right for decades.

And lump us together with Mesa?........Different animal here. Most Mesa crews that I have been in contact with have never done such things to fellow pilots that it seems that you have done.

Is it the fact that we as regional pilots are fighting over the same small piece of pie.....or the fact that most pilots at regionals now never expected to stay as long as we have just cause...I remember when 2-3 years and out to the majors?

Not to worry though.....the judge will dictate your next contract.......sorry for the cheap shot.......

Regardless.......I wish you all the best.be safe.....and let's keep things on the up and up eh?
Either post an obviously misspelled version of the ALG CA's name or pm me with it and I'll make sure that he doesn't make it onto any of my flights. For those that have to deal with similar situations, get an employee number and name so that the phhuckers who treat others with disdain get phhucked in the long run as well. No one ever can complete a 30 year career in only one base. He'll get his (typical ALG ancient a55hole)!
 
I think that all commuters know
that the most important flights
of a sequence are 1) The one that
gets you home and 2) the one that
takes you to work.

That being said, lets as jumpseaters
(even if we cannot occupy the one
in the cockpit) respect the priviledge
and not abuse it.
For the WO guys...I know and understand
the deep bitterness. Mainline management
overseeing you guys should hide under
sackcloth and sit in ashes in shame and
repentance...and what of the "Mesa"
guys that are really f'ed over CCair?

Denying J/S to people based on who they
work for if they have a reciprical agreement
and as an individual are not a threat/problem
is not going to help anyone and in the long
term will only further the grief...and could very
well spill over into affecting the J/S program
for those of us not directly involved. There
is history of management stepping in and
shutting down jumpseating.
 
Jumpseat wars are only waged by non-commuters and the only people to suffer are commuters.

My rules of the jumpseat that I would hope all other captains follow...

1. Jumpseat (cockpit) is only for my company...sorry FAA rule, my hands are tied.

2. Jumpseat (cabin)...as long as you can convince the gate agent to either A. give you a boarding pass or B. talk to me about getting you a boarding pass then welcome aboard.

I don't care if you work for AA, UAL, SWA, ComAir, a 135 outfit or you are a part 91 flight instructor from down the ramp. I don't care if you're in a coat and tie, jeans and a t-shirt, or g-string wonderwoman underoos, The jumpseat is a courtesy I would gladly extend to ANY profesional pilot.

Unfortunately, some people take this part of their job way too seriously.

Later.
 
WSurf....I am sorry that you ran into that........he should have known where he can occupy the jumpseat and when he cannot.

But to COMPLAIN about it after the decision has been made?!.............WrOnG

Sorry bud....
 
Y is ik dat youze calls you're selfs profestionels, butt cantt spel worf a damm? "Alleghany"?, "your" in place of "you're", etc., etc., etc.
Mohst of youze has a edukasion, youse ik. Youze mak you're selfs looc lyk iddiuts.

LTG
 
are you kiddin' . . .

Long Time Gone said:
Y is ik dat youze calls you're selfs profestionels, butt cantt spel worf a damm? "Alleghany"?, "your" in place of "you're", etc., etc., etc.
Mohst of youze has a edukasion, youse ik. Youze mak you're selfs looc lyk iddiuts.

LTG


Are you kiddin' . . . you misspelled just about every word in your post. You should probably spellcheck your post before you make fun of others. YOU TOOL!


Ohhh . . . wait. . . .that was sarcasm! You spent 10 mins writing that post and no one will ever give you a second thought (or third thought - in my case).

Spelling counts in memo's, resumes and cover letters, not informal emails and internet chat / message boards. GET A PHHUCKKIN LIFE!!!
 
WSurf said:
You have to remember when your a contract carrier and work for 7 different airlines you dont get privileges on all of them, just the one you work for!
I disagree. The reason offline jumpseaters are no longer allowed in the cockpit after 911 is because of the inability to verify employment. However, if a contract carrier operates for several airlines, each one of those major airline partners has the ability to verify the employment of every pilot at the contract carrier. Therefore, the contract pilot should be able to sit in the cockpit of all 7 airlines.

I don't know what's going on at US Airways, but as an Independence Air pilot, I am able to ride in the cockpit on Delta flights because of our 328 operation. Until November anyway.
 
J Dawg said:
I disagree. The reason offline jumpseaters are no longer allowed in the cockpit after 911 is because of the inability to verify employment. However, if a contract carrier operates for several airlines, each one of those major airline partners has the ability to verify the employment of every pilot at the contract carrier. Therefore, the contract pilot should be able to sit in the cockpit of all 7 airlines.

I don't know what's going on at US Airways, but as an Independence Air pilot, I am able to ride in the cockpit on Delta flights because of our 328 operation. Until November anyway.
I've always wondered why they just can't give all the airlines the phone number of the airlines dispatch/crew scheduling department. The agent can call the number when somebody shows up, give the name, it'll take 10 seconds.

I've also thought it was screwy that there is no way to verify the employment of FAA inspectors, Armed LEO's, NTSB, Secret Service, etc. either...but that doesn't seem to bother anyone. All of these are given access to the cockpit (except Armed LEO's---but they have guns which is probably worse).

Later
 
J Dawg,


Sorry that you disagree, however that is how it has been written in our FOM. Believe me I don't like it, its just how it is with US Airways! Some of the contract carriers have all kinds of ID's that makes it hard to verify or atleast time consuming to find out who they work for! Some Contract Carriers can work for 3-5 airlines.
If Delta lets you guys ride the Jumpseat even if you work for the United side at ACA I think that awesome of them. However like u said, in Nov. it will be up!
I am all for getting a brother home, I hope we can get this J/S back to pre 911 days!!!
 

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