JO reply to our contract!!

[big dog1]

So JO why did we get such a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty contract?


From: jonathano1999 <jonathan.ornstein@m...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:38am
Subject: Re: New poll for freemesaairlinesforum


Yeah it is terrible - so bad in fact that we can not handle all the
growth it will bring us. Please let me know if you would like to go
to a carrier with a "better" contract (with your seniority). All
you'll have to do is avoid being furloughed or downgraded - something
that is happening at Atlantic Coast (furlough)and Southwest
(downgrade).




If he said that (which i doubt) he ought to
resign. --- In
[email protected], "b1900d_pilot"
<beech_bang_bus@h...> wrote:
> get real. from the mouth of Robert Henry: "This deal was not
> negotiated."
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "jonathano1999"
> <jonathan.ornstein@m...> wrote:
> > Thta is absolutely rediculious. Every aspect of the contract was
> > negotiated over a period of one year. Give your negotiators more
> > credit. And stop trying to make excuses. It is tiring to me and
> just
> > about everyobe else judging from the posts I have
> >
>
read.
>
>
>
> > --- In
> > [email protected], "b1900d_pilot"
> > <beech_bang_bus@h...> wrote:
> > > the contract wasnt negotiated, JO. it was presented as a take
it
> or
> > > be **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed proposal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "jonathano1999"
> > > <jonathan.ornstein@m...> wrote:
> > > > Accordint to the local ALPA lawyer this is one of the fastest
> > > > contract negotiations in history. So, no, I do not agree.---
In
> > > > [email protected], "Bog B Erto"
> > > > <thinkerpilot@a...> wrote:
> > > > > jonathano1999 wrote: Don't be a sore winner.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sore winner? Huh? How did I win? Because I still have a
> job
> > > > since
> > > > > it cannot be sold out to Freedumb now?
> > > > >
> > > > > The whole mess should have been completed a year ago, not a
> > > month
> > > > > ago. I'd rather turn the clock back two years and start
all
> > > over
> > > > > again from scratch. But, for now, I'll just watch the
months
> > > click
> > > > > by and hope that the next time we negotiate a contract we
can
> > > ALL
> > > > act
> > > > > like adults and improve life for both sides, not try to
sell
> > > each
> > > > > other out.
> > > > >
> > > > > As usual, just my opinion. The First Ammendment says I can
> > > offer
> > > > > it. You don't have to agree.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fly safe.


22455 From: jonathano1999 <jonathan.ornstein@m...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:38am
Subject: Re: New poll for freemesaairlinesforum


Yeah it is terrible - so bad in fact that we can not handle all the
growth it will bring us. Please let me know if you would like to go
to a carrier with a "better" contract (with your seniority). All
you'll have to do is avoid being furloughed or downgraded - something
that is happening at Atlantic Coast (furlough)and Southwest
(downgrade). --- In
[email protected], "vere076" <vere076@y...> wrote:
>
> So JO why did we get such a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty contract?
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "jonathano1999"
> <jonathan.ornstein@m...> wrote:
> > Thta is absolutely rediculious. Every aspect of the contract was
> > negotiated over a period of one year. Give your negotiators more
> > credit. And stop trying to make excuses. It is tiring to me and
> just
> > about everyobe else judging from the posts I have
> >
>
read.
>
>
>
> > --- In
> > [email protected], "b1900d_pilot"
> > <beech_bang_bus@h...> wrote:
> > > the contract wasnt negotiated, JO. it was presented as a take
it
> or
> > > be **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed proposal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "jonathano1999"
> > > <jonathan.ornstein@m...> wrote:
> > > > Accordint to the local ALPA lawyer this is one of the fastest
> > > > contract negotiations in history. So, no, I do not agree.---
In
> > > > [email protected], "Bog B Erto"
> > > > <thinkerpilot@a...> wrote:
> > > > > jonathano1999 wrote: Don't be a sore winner.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sore winner? Huh? How did I win? Because I still have a
> job
> > > > since
> > > > > it cannot be sold out to Freedumb now?
> > > > >
> > > > > The whole mess should have been completed a year ago, not a
> > > month
> > > > > ago. I'd rather turn the clock back two years and start
all
> > > over
> > > > > again from scratch. But, for now, I'll just watch the
months
> > > click
> > > > > by and hope that the next time we negotiate a contract we
can
> > > ALL
> > > > act
> > > > > like adults and improve life for both sides, not try to
sell
> > > each
> > > > > other out.
> > > > >
> > > > > As usual, just my opinion. The First Ammendment says I can
> > > offer
> > > > > it. You don't have to agree.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fly safe.

 

[jetdriven]

JO, you should not offer something you cannot possible give. I will take the # 900 slot at Air wisconsin if you can arrange it!!

 

[pilotyip]

What?

What is he/she talking about?

 

[rightrudder]

I will take the # 900 slot at Air wisconsin if you can arrange it!!

You'll have to wait until we hire 185 more pilots before your #900 comes up.

RR

 

[jetdriven]

well, I'll takw the 27 month seniority mark then. that would put me where, about D-328 captain or 146 FO?

 

[rightrudder]

You'd be an RJ or 146 FO with that seniority. 328 CA not likely because of the 328 fleet reduction/ 328's gone in 2 months, you might have held 328 CA for 4 months before getting displaced, a 328 CA with 27 month seniority would have choice of displacement into RJ or 146 FO slot.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

JetDriven,

You wouldn't like it here, because we actually like being paid well with excellent work rules and no super seniority and a sense of look out for your fellow man. All the attributes that 78% of mesa is not!!!

WD.

 

[beechdriver]

JetDriven,

You wouldn't like it here, because we actually like being paid well with excellent work rules and no super seniority and a sense of look out for your fellow man. All the attributes that 78% of mesa is not!!!

WD.

Don't know about Jetdriven, but I wouldn't like it there because I'd have to share a seniority list with YOU. What a turd.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

And that my friend is why you make sh1t wages and love it!!

WD.