jepp or NOS

[saviboy]

Do you guys working for 135 ops are using Jepp or NOS charts?

 

[Captain4242]

We use Jepps. I think most (not all) 135 companies do. They're a little easier to read, and once taking them out of the binder, are easier to maneuver around. I also feel they have more information when it comes to the airport diagram.

Only downside is the twice-monthly updates that always show up. "The only guarentees in life are death, taxes, and more Jepps".

I think that's why we've hired so many co-pilots this year!

 

[kilroy]

I use both charts.NOS domestic and Jepps internationally. Jepps is about 300$ dollars more a year. Nos has came a long way in the last couple of years. There format is so much easier to read. It seems they take after jepps alot on there new format. I liked having the Jepps disc on international trips all the info without all the paper

 

[User546]

Jeppesen.

We have five flight cases of actual Jepp charts in the rear area of the cabin for backup/diversion reasons, though we normally just use the JeppView program to print out all pertinent charts before departing.

The only time I usually use NOS is for the airport diagrams. I find them much easier and less cluttered to use then Jepp, especially if your going into a larger airport such as ORD/LGA/LAX, etc.

 

[paulsalem]

I've been able to use JeppView for the past few months, and have started to love Jepps, you really do get what you pay for. Both the NACO (formerly NOS) and Jepp approach plates seem to be similar, the Jepp enroutes have a ton more info on them. Jepp also has a bunch of stuff NACO doens't have. Low vis taxi diagrams, gate lat/longs for your FMS/IRS, de ice procedues.

How many sets of Jepps are in the normal airline cockpit? Or are the pilots all given a subscription? I know NetJets has 1 set per airplane.

 

[Rick1128]

Nos

Over the last several year I have used NOS domesticly and Jepps internationally. While the Jepps have the advantage of more information on them, it really does little good if the charts are not current. NOS take about 5 minutes to revise, if you do it absolutely correctly. It is very agrivating to take over an aircraft and see anywhere from 3 to 12 envelopes of Jepp revisions stuffed in the binders. Add the fact that it seems to be almost impossible to get some crewmembers to do the annual inventory.

Plus that fact that the full US coverage of NOS takes much less room that the same Jepp coverage. It is important in a Lear.

 

[paulsalem]

NOS take about 5 minutes to revise, if you do it absolutely correctly.

What revising do you have to do? I didn't think NACO had a revision service. I just throw my old bound or loose leaf ones away and replace them with the new pack.

A defnite advantage over jepps, that Bible type paper makes your fingers feel funny after you revise enough.

 

[PropsForward]

Use JeppView much more convenient. Worth every penny (dollar).

 

[kilroy]

If there is any change of any terminal.airport arrival or anything before the next revision of nos is due you will get a revision which is a smaller book or stick in type revision.

What revising do you have to do? I didn't think NACO had a revision service. I just throw my old bound or loose leaf ones away and replace them with the new pack.

A defnite advantage over jepps, that Bible type paper makes your fingers feel funny after you revise enough.

 

[Rick1128]

revisions

Paul,

Yes you revise NOS. You take the old ones out and put in the new ones. But to do it properly, you must check to make sure that you got all the ones you ordered. From time to time, you will not get one binder or get a duplicate binder instead.

 

[svcta]

The company I work for uses NOS and Jepps internationally. There is a subsription service for NOS, if forget the guy's name, but it's called Soensoe's AirChart Systems. It's a big binder with all the low or high enroute charts that are way easier to use enroute than loose charts. Especially when you're alone. And the entire U.S. IAP fits in a standard flight bag, and they send you the updates which you pencil in any changes every 28 & 56 days. No pages to change. Once a year they send you new charts for everything. The whole country IAP and enroute charts costs a little under $400 for the year. That's a fraction of the Jepps.

 

[421Driver]

Our operation uses NOS charts. We use the Nav Canada charts when flying in the Great White North. The NOS/NOAA charts are much improved over the past few years, and $0.39 giant binder clips make them easy to use. I still like Jepps better though, I only could afford them when I was training.

 

[400A]

Nos

We use NOS Stateside and Jepp international. Does not matter though, to those of us who like NOS, we all got our little yellow sheet with this last revision that says in the fall of 05 they are stopping civilian sales.

If we thought Jepps were expensive before, wait till there is no other choice.
Bend over everyone, HERE IT COMES!

400A

 

[paulsalem]

Time to buy stock in Jepps?

Does this mean that sectionals and the likes are going way too? And AFDs?

Hell why don't they stop publishing NOTAMs too.

 

[weekendwarrior]

We use NOS Stateside and Jepp international. Does not matter though, to those of us who like NOS, we all got our little yellow sheet with this last revision that says in the fall of 05 they are stopping civilian sales.

If we thought Jepps were expensive before, wait till there is no other choice.
Bend over everyone, HERE IT COMES!

400A

Anyone know of a website that might contain this info? Personally I prefer NOS just because of the military. Plus, they are free to download. I sure hope NOS plates don't go away!

 

[paulsalem]

http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/catalog

Under the blue pic of their international catalog there is more info and links.

 

[weekendwarrior]

This is rediculous! Ok, I understand some of it, they are probably being lobbied by Jeppesen, and they don't want to infringe on competition, but if you read the announcements closely it claims
"...reduce the vulnerability of critical navigation data on the internet..."

Geeze, if these terrorists don't have the internet, then how on earth could they find out critical navigation data? I guess they can't order jepp charts on the internet, either.

Personally I prefer NOS charts, but of course could fly with either one. What I like about the NOS charts is, I just download and print one for where I am going plus any alternates. All for free.

 

[paulsalem]

I may have misread that. Looks like only DoD approches will be leaving us.

 

[weekendwarrior]

Yeah, I kind of got that too, but it also sounds as if they are getting out of the approach plate biz all together as well. They mentioned the competition factor. Funny thing is, there is no competition for DOD plates, because we all use the DOD FLIP, which is produced by NACO (read NOS). So, what commercial competition are they referring to? Strange.

 

[Tinstaafl]

I thought the US, like all ICAO members, is obligated to publish aeronautical data? This includes instrument approaches. Unless they delegate Jepp. as their nominated source of information how will the US meet its obligations?

 

[minitour]

I thought the US, like all ICAO members, is obligated to publish aeronautical data? This includes instrument approaches. Unless they delegate Jepp. as their nominated source of information how will the US meet its obligations?

Maybe they'll do that and "regulate" the prices on the Jepp plates...G*d D*mn they're expensive...but I prefer them to the NOS charts

If the NOS charts were put in the book in the same way, it would be different...but I like the idea of being able to flip to an airport and grab the arrival AND the approach plate basically at the same time instead of flipping to the front of the book then to the approach...i dunno...maybe im just lazy..

-mini

 

[paulsalem]

Unless I'm misreading it, I think only DoD approaches are leaving. (ie TACAN approaches etc)