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Is this where the industry is headed?

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And in a surprising move, the airline has announced a program to replace pilots with trained circus monkeys sometime early next year. Analyst's expect huge cost savings savings with this move and it's expected american carriers will implement the same type of progam. :rolleyes:
 
This airline will be the model for the next generation of US LLCs. You can fly on Ryanair for like 10 to 30 euros if you buy in advance. They would give our LLCs a run for our money. Yes its pathetic but it will happen.
 
another option yet

They could fly unpressurized.

With the pilot's on O2 and everyone in the back passed out, there would be huge savings in sodas and peanuts. They could also terminate their lav cleaners since it would no longer be used.

The saving options are limitless!

Goose17
 
They had the newest LCC on "The Simpsons" last night - it was a giant balsa wood airplane with a giant wind up rubber band. I was crying I was laughing so hard....
 
...and Michael O'Leary, the CEO of RyanAir (the same LCC that wants to reduce costs by removing seat pockets - to save cleaning costs - and installing non-reclining seats and Velcro widgets so you get a head full of cooties) has been encouraging his employees to steal (wait for it) hotel pens and stationery to save on that too!

I truly despair.
 
What's next?
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No seats.

I can just see it. A 737 with 400 pax seated skydiver style.
 
That will work here in the US better than anywhere!

It is obvious that Americans only care about one thing when it comes to flying: cost. If they can get it for $10 cheaper and sit on wooden benches and eat hay in the cargo hold, they will do it.

Why else would the LCC's be doing so well? And why else would the Majors be removing all of their "frills".

go usa.
 
huh?

Fodder...using that logic Rolex would be out of business and you would never see a Mercedes on the road. Fact is people buy more expensive things all the time. There needs to be perceived value by the consumer. They are willing to pay more if they think they are getting more (more expensive oftentimes works).

I think the reason it isn't working for the legacy carriers is that there are cheaper alternatives out there just as appealing as the more expensive ones are to most people. For the minority who want to fly first class they still can.

In a way, the market dictates the pricing and the LCCs are doing well because what they offer (as far as service, perqs, etc) is "close enough" to the legacy carriers and (in general) it's also cheaper. Carriers can charge more...but people need to feel like they are getting more.

People buy new Chevys and other people buy new Mercedes. Anyone who bought a new Mercedes can afford to drive a new Chevy...but they chose not to...they bought the Mercedes.

Some people who just bought Chevys could also afford a Mercedes but they decided not to...because to them...it ain't worth it. That doesn't make Chevy or Mercedes inherently evil...just different products/choices for the consumer. It's up to GM and Mercedes to turn the profit.
 
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It is obvious that Americans only care about one thing when it comes to flying: cost. If they can get it for $10 cheaper and sit on wooden benches and eat hay in the cargo hold, they will do it.

Fodder,
Your statement shows exactly why your company doesn't get it. I just retired from the Navy and don't work for anyone yet, but I flew a lot during 1998-2000 in my job assignment (with Delta, AA, USAir, Continental, NWA). The reason that many people overlook is that the LCCs actually treat a customer with respect and seem to truly enjoy their work. I haven't flown Jet blue, but I have been on SWA, AirTran, and ATA. If the legacy carriers treated their customers as well, the LCCs would have had difficulty taking business away. Price is only one aspect.

The first rule of war is to know your enemy. Seems that applies to business as well.

Catfish
 
But they don't get it. They can't raise their prices because their product is crap. If they had a great product then they would not lose pax to any other carrier. It's all about service and the Network carriers are lightyears behind and may never recover. It's basic economics, you only can charge what your product is worth and on a lot of Network carriers, the product is crap.
 
The flying public likes direct flights. While they do complain about the RJ's size (and everything else) lets see how they vote with their wallets.

Southwest and JetBlue (and even lowly ATA) has a quality and CASM advantage here but with load factors down the cost may be the same or less on select routes into thin markets.

Yes I said SWA and ATA has a quality advantage. What is quality you ask?? It's not what some pilots think. Not traditional mainline amenities for upscale passengers. It's the smiling F/A who gives off a positive attitude and room on the flight to relax. ATA is increasing pitch on some 757's. And now a business class that company employees may not Bogart. After a stressful airport experience that is all they want. Not blue cornchips or fancy colored seat covers.

I think the RJ's and 170/190 class will constrain LCC growth in small markets. But maybe there is enough growth to go around. The biggest trend I see is little or no mainline growth at the legacy carriers due to RJ and LCC growth. Look at Delta, selling 777's and 738's. I think their aging MD-88's may be at risk. SWA, Airtran and JetBlue have big expansion plans and will only eat into narrow body load factors at mainlines. The exception may be AA and UAL who are becoming LCCs themselves. USAir is a big ??

Now all ATA has to do is figure out how to stay in business and here comes Virgin. I wish I knew more about USAir's progress. They will continue the small plane assault. I don't agree with Lowecurs dire assessments, but I think the small plane will be big (no pun intended)

The passengers will never say, "hey I like flying on the 170/190's". Look to the option that has the fewest complaints and the smallest dent in the pocketbook.

Delta, the clock is ticking.
 
I didn't talk about Song. It is doing well but Grinstein wants to deemphasize it so he can use it to his advantage in contract talks. That's the only reason it is not getting bigger right now. He want's the pilots flying it to earn less. He has big $$'s in his head with all the cash he is going get by hitting the pilots hard.
 
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Disclaimer: These predictions are from a know-it-all pilot. Most comments may best be thought of as contrary indicators.
 

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