IPC - Instrument Proficiency Check - Question

[UndauntedFlyer]

Okay, I think a little commen sense needs to come into play here. If/when you get ramp checked, do you really think the FAA is gonna buy that load of BS? If you try to use their own book of laws against them, thats not gonna make them very happy. They will find a way to violate your a**.

Secondly, there IS a specific list of what an IPC is to cover. Grab the nearest instrument PTS. Flip it open to the rating task table and in the legend you will see "proficiency check" listed. Under the "PC" column it lists all the tasks required in each area of operation that need to be performed in the IPC.

Maybe this has been covered in some other thread, but it seems like nobody on this knew. Now in a typical flightinfo fashion, please tell me how wrong I am.

Of course if you were ramp checked who would volunteer there log book for inspection anyway? Or the A/C logs either? No one I know.

But anyway, if he completed the check and it was entered in the log by the pilot with a reference to the date and who did the check he is legal, as long as what he was writing was truthful. Maybe the pilot has a IPC competion certificate writen by Flight Safety or Simulite or some airline. Even if this is not in the log as an IPC endorsement then he is legal if the pilot enters these facts himself. This is my opinion.

So to take this one step further, what is the difference between Flight Safety issuing an IPC course completion graduation certificate under part 61 or just any CFI-I? Nothing in my opinion.

Comments....

 

[MauleSkinner]

But anyway, if he completed the check and it was entered in the log by the pilot with a reference to the date and who did the check he is legal, as long as what he was writing was truthful. Maybe the pilot has a IPC competion certificate writen by Flight Safety or Simulite or some airline. Even if this is not in the log as an IPC endorsement then he is legal if the pilot enters these facts himself.

Doesn't matter whether he enters it in the logbook or not...he's got a certificate signed by the instructor and/or whatever the school does for IPC completion documentation. Whether it's in the logbook or not doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that he's got proof from the instructor or school that the IPC was passed.

Fly safe!

David

 

[charter dog]

It seems entirely possible that you will eventually win the NTSB appeal of the FAA imposed sanctions on this point of law! You appear to be correct that the CFI endorsement of your pilot records indicating successful completion of an IPC is not specifically required by regulation, perhaps by regulatory ommission. (mistake) However, your local Friendly Aviation Assistance representative will likely follow the guidance provided by his aviation safety inspector's handbook, which as allready pointed out, leaves the distinct impression that the endorsement is required.

I realize the original poster only brought this issue up as a point of interest and as such, it is yet another illustration of the fact that the regulations are not always completely clear and unambiguous. In fact, discretion and well reasoned interpretation are often required in order to apply them to the real world. When pushing into gray areas of the regs without case law or official interpretations to support personal or company interpretations of FARs, it seems wise to default to a conservative position. So from a practical standpoint, I'll just continue to do the prudent thing and keep all records that show compliance with any training and qualification requirements. Nobody will ever check these records unless something happens, yet there is no absolute guarantee that nothing will ever happen, so I keep the records since I have little extra money and time for lawyers or law school. I suspect many other pilots in today's environment will arrive at a similar strategy for avoiding trouble with the feds. If you ever have to deal with them, the feds will base some of their discretionary judgement on whether a "compliance attitude" is exhibited by the airman in question. The argument that that the regs are flawed will not promote this impression. Some of us have enough pressure from employers to push the regs right to the limit without heaping more on ourselves. Thanks for pointing out yet another loophole in the regs!

Best,

 

[midlifeflyer]

It seems entirely possible that you will eventually win the NTSB appeal of the FAA imposed sanctions on this point of law!

As Michael Myers used to say on Saturday Night Live, "and it's also possible that monkeys might fly out of my butt!"

 

[charter dog]

As Michael Myers used to say on Saturday Night Live, "and it's also possible that monkeys might fly out of my butt!"

And it it is a certainty that I would not care to test either possibility!

Best,