Instrument Training- will this plane do

[Eric]

According to the FAR's, during the long instrument xc in an airplane, the student has to do 3 different types of approaches.

The PTS says (I think) the applicant has to be tested on 3 different type of approaches.

If the plane only has a VOR/ILS receiver, can you take your checkride and do your xc in this plane or would you need to find one with an ADF, GPS, etc? Does an ASR approach count as a third type?

Also, as I understand from searching this board, a CFII without a MEI but with a commercial- aiplane, multiene rating may give instrument instuction in a twin. Is this correct? smart?


Thank you,
Eric

 

[BamBamJet]

Eric,

Regarding the 3 approaches...what I do with my students is an ILS approach, a VOR approach and a Partial Panel approach. This will satisfy the three approaches.

Regarding the instructing in a multi...You can teach instruments in the multi. The reason for this is because the pilot can and is acting as PIC of that airplane.

I hope this helps.
Good Luck!

 

[Doozer]

Eric:

With only a VOR/LOC receiver, you can do 4 DIFFERENT types of non-precision approaches:

VOR
LOC
SDF
LDA

The PTS requires that an ILS be accomplished on the practical test, so the aircraft will need a glideslope receiver & some way to identify the IAF's as well. That equipment will depend on the approaches chosen or available.

I don't have my copy handy, but I believe that the PTS also states that if an IFR approved GPS is in the aircraft, one of the non-precision approaches must be a GPS approach.

You may instruct on instruments in a multi-engine airplane with only an instrument airplane instructor certificate provided your commercial certificate has an airplane multi-engine rating. Whether that's smart or not probably depends on how proficient you are in the multi-engine airplane in which you're giving instrument instruction.

Hope this helps.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Doozer said:
I don't have my copy handy, but I believe that the PTS also states that if an IFR approved GPS is in the aircraft, one of the non-precision approaches must be a GPS approach.
No. The PTS says that if there's a GPS in the aircraft, the Examiner =may= ask for a GPS approach. Like any other navigational equipment, if it's in the airplane, it's fair game.

 

[tarp]

If an airplane only has VOR and ILS (i.e working LOC, G/S and Marker Beacons) capability then most D.E.'s will do:
1-ILS (precision)
1-VOR (non) and
1-LOC type (i.e. non-precision approach)

Everything in the airplane, legal and functional is fair game.

DME works, then you can be asked for DME type approaches and DME arcs.

GPS works and is legal for IFR, then expect to be able to do those type approaches.

ADF works, then expect or be able to fly NDB stuff.

MLS, RNAV, FMS, you name it - if the plane has it and it works then you better know how to use it.

 

[172driver]

A 'partial panel' approach is not a different approach as required by the regs. A partial panel ILS is still an ILS. Do the VOR, LOC, ILS. Or the SDF or LDA if there's one around.

No, an ASR/PAR do not count, as you must perform 3 different types of approaches with the use of navigation systems.

CFII giving instruction in a twin...that's a good one that I have debated a few times. If you read the regs, they will say no. There are opinions by some knowledgeable people out there that say yes. Wanna risk your tickets over it and be the first to take it to court?

61.195(b)(1) A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which he does not hold a pilot and CFI certificate with the appropriate cat/class rating.