Instructor Ratings

[Steveair]

Can you get your CFII without holding a CFI? Why/where regs?

Can you get your MEI prior to your CFI?

Can you instruct a private pilot with multi-engine land rating on instruments without an MEI?

 

[propilot]

1. yes

2. yes

3. not likely, considering you will be doing single engine approaches...

 

[Steveair]

Why????

This is what part 61 says:

61.195 Flight instructor limitations and qualifications.
A person who holds a flight instructor certificate is subject to the following limitations:

(a) Hours of training. In any 24-consecutive-hour period, a flight instructor may not conduct more than 8 hours of flight training.

(b) Aircraft ratings. A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold:

(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and

(2) If appropriate, a type rating.

(c) Instrument Rating. A flight instructor who provides instrument flight training for the issuance of an instrument rating or a type rating not limited to VFR must hold an instrument rating on his or her flight instructor certificate and pilot certificate that is appropriate to the category and class of aircraft in which instrument training is being provided.

 

[banned username 2]

Can you get your CFII without holding a CFI? Why/where regs?

Can you get your MEI prior to your CFI?

Yes on both... When I was a Flight Instructor the school I worked at didn't have a complex single, but we had a twin... So most people got their MEI first and then got their CFI-A and CFI-I as add-ons... We also had some Students do their CFI-I first, then the MEI then the CFI-A...

 

[Ralgha]

3) No.

 

[bobbysamd]

You have to be an MEI to pull an engine . . . .

(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and . . . .

(c) Instrument Rating. A flight instructor who provides instrument flight training for the issuance of an instrument rating or a type rating not limited to VFR must hold an instrument rating on his or her flight instructor certificate and pilot certificate that is appropriate to the category and class of aircraft in which instrument training is being provided.

(emphasis added)

Read both of these together. Single-engine approaches are very much a part of instrument training in multiengine airplanes, which means an authorized person, i.e., an appropriately-rated flight instructor, has to pull an engine. At that point, obviously, the multiengine airplane is operating with an engine inoperative and single-engine procedures are being used. Single-engine procedures fall under the realm of multiengine training, which can be given only by authorized instructors, i.e., MEIs. Accordingly, non-MEIs have no business pulling engines because they are not authorized to give multiengine training.

This issue comes up frequently, usually because people are looking for gouges and loopholes in the regs to build multi. Having been there at one time, I understand fully. Bottom line: Get your MEI and do it legally because illegally won't count, anyway.

 

[U-I pilot]

Ok, So i just got my CFI-I yesterday and something similar to this was asked of me....

If someone with a multi wants an IPC am I allowed to give it to them?

I answered yes because what I am providing is instrument instruction not multi-instruction.

There are some caveats that if he is out of IFR recency it must be VFR conditions and he must be multi-current.
All that 61.195c says is: "...must hold an instrument rating on his or her flight instructor certificate and pilot certificate that is appropriate to the category and callss of aircraft which instrument training is being provided."
Also,
The 5 hours make and model for MEI's and multi engine aircraft is only required if the training is for a certificate or a rating which recency is not. (61.195f).

Any thoughts here?
Thanks

 

[Ralgha]

Ok, So i just got my CFI-I yesterday and something similar to this was asked of me....

If someone with a multi wants an IPC am I allowed to give it to them?

I answered yes because what I am providing is instrument instruction not multi-instruction.

There are some caveats that if he is out of IFR recency it must be VFR conditions and he must be multi-current.
All that 61.195c says is: "...must hold an instrument rating on his or her flight instructor certificate and pilot certificate that is appropriate to the category and callss of aircraft which instrument training is being provided."
Also,
The 5 hours make and model for MEI's and multi engine aircraft is only required if the training is for a certificate or a rating which recency is not. (61.195f).

Any thoughts here?
Thanks

No, you can't. Go read post #3, part (b) 1. You may not give ANY instruction in an aircraft unless you have the appropriate cat/class on your CFI certificate.

If you have only your instrument instructor and no single or multi engine instructor ratings, then the ONLY things you can do are teach ground and teach in a sim/FTD. Sorry, but that's how it works.

Read this thread for more info. http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=51640

 

[U-I pilot]

thanks for referencing what has already been posted. Seems i glossed over things or it went in the eyes and right out the head.
I'll be interested to see what my check pilot says when i reference this....

 

[bobbysamd]

MEI still needed

If someone with a multi wants an IPC am I allowed to give it to them?

I answered yes because what I am providing is instrument instruction not multi-instruction.

That is incorrect. Read what I wrote above. A comp check is virtually an instrument checkride these days. To perform a proper comp check in a multi per the Instrument PTS, you must pull an engine for at least one approach. To pull engines, you must be properly authorized. You are not authorized to pull engines unless you are an MEI.