Instructing with a 3rd class

[EatSleepFly]

Thanks Midlife, I was looking for that reference.

 

[avbug]

An ATP instructing other pilots in air transport service requires a first class medical certificate, as he or she is exercising the privileges of the ATP certificate.

§ 61.167 Privileges.

(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct -
(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the airline transport pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;
(2) In flight simulators, and flight training devices representing the aircraft referenced in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, when instructing under the provisions of this section and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;
(3) Only as provided in this section, unless the airline transport pilot also holds a flight instructor certificate, in which case the holder may exercise the instructor privileges of subpart H of part 61 for which he or she is rated; and
(4) In an aircraft, only if the aircraft has functioning dual controls, when instructing under the provisions of this section.

Instructing other pilots in air transport service is not a privilege of a commercial certificate, and therefore can only be done in accordance with 61.167. An ATP may not instruct outside air transport service...in other words, this privilege extends as far as providing company instruction to company pilots.

§ 61.23 Medical certificates: Requirement and duration.

(a) Operations requiring a medical certificate. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, a person--

(1) Must hold a first-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of an airline transport pilot certificate;

A first class medical certificate is required for operations requiring an ATP certificate. While the instruction an ATP provides doens't of it's own accord require an ATP certificate, the holder of an ATP certificate who does not posess a flight instructor certificate cannot provide any instruction without the ATP...and therefore the ATP is required for the operation in question. Accordingly, a first class medical certificate will be necessary.

 

[soarby007]

Thank you for your clarification of the issue.

 

[bertengineer]

No gray area at all. The FAA cleared this up years ago. You can instruct as long as you are not the PIC,for hire, which eliminates teaching private students. Other than that, with a couple of other exceptions previously mentioned, you can instruct with no medical. You can't be PIC, instruct for hire, with a 3rd class medical. If you teach a friend for nothing, then the 3rd class will work.

Wrong answer. You might want to re-read your FAR's concerning Flight instructor! You can instruct, for hire...with a 3rd class

 

[lawfly]

In process of Gleim online FIRC and this is covered in the course (and in the FARs as the others have noted). Yes, can instruct with no medical unless acting as PIC in which case must have at least 3rd class. Pay or no pay irrelevant. Someone commented that this rules out private students if CFI has no medical. Although not specifically mentioned in the FIRC, I would opine that if it's an instrument student (no instrument rating yet) and the flight is conducted on an IFR clearance, CFII would need medical then (and IFR currency), as well, but I invite others' input.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Someone commented that this rules out private students if CFI has no medical. Although not specifically mentioned in the FIRC, I would opine that if it's an instrument student (no instrument rating yet) and the flight is conducted on an IFR clearance, CFII would need medical then (and IFR currency), as well, but I invite others' input.

Of course he'd need it if they were on an IFR clearance. But he's also need it if they weren't' and thew client was under the hood.

If the FIRC said that a CFI =only= needs a medical when acting as PIC, the instructor made the same unbelievably common mistake of not reading the rule.

Try reading the rule so that you can base questions and answers on what it does say instead of what people think it says.

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(c) Medical certificate.
(1) Except as provided for in paragraph (c)(2) of this section, a person may not act as pilot in command or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of an aircraft, under a certificate issued to that person under this part, unless that person has a current and appropriate medical certificate that has been issued under part 67 of this chapter, or other documentation acceptable to the Administrator, which is in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft.

(2) A person is not required to meet the requirements of paragraph (c)(1) of this section if that person -

(viii) [Except for a separate glider instruction exception], is exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate, provided the person is not acting as pilot in command or as a required pilot flight crewmember;
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[FlyinFife]

Try reading the rule so that you can base questions and answers on what it does say instead of what people think it says.

Your comment is a breath of fresh air. There were alot of opinions being tossed around, and I kept thinking "based on what?" Thanks for providing the proper documentation.