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Go for it.

You can do it. Doesn't matter whether you're getting paid or not. The FAA considers your payment as payment for teaching, not flying. Somewhere I have a reference, but I can't begin to remember where, sorry. You might find it on here even if you do a search, I think it's been discussed before.
 
Not grey at all, you can instruct with no medical at all also. As long as you are not PIC
 
I'm curious. What's your definition of "grey"? There's nothing unclear about the way the FAR is written.

BTW, Cueboat,
Not grey at all, you can instruct with no medical at all also. As long as you are not PIC
That's the way most people say it, but it's not completely accurate. You can instruct with no medical at all as long as you are not a =required crewmember=. Of course that includes PIC, but in also includes other functions. For example, a CFI with no medical can't act as safety pilot and so is limited in teaching instruments in the air.
 
midlifeflyer said:
I'm curious. What's your definition of "grey"? There's nothing unclear about the way the FAR is written.

..eeehh, he doesn't have a "grey" area, he just heard somewhere that an instructor can instruct with a 3rd class. He hasn't looked at the regs recently. Now it is spelled out clearly in black and white in 61.23. However, this same person will be confused with the concept of "instructing while NOT acting as PIC". That goes back to the days when you did not log PIC when there was an instructor on board. The instructor was ALWAYS the PIC. He is probably still living in that time. The times, they are a'changin'.
 
Why would you not log PIC when there was instructor on board? The instructor is the PIC. . .but you can still log PIC also, if you are rated in the aircraft.



nosehair said:
..eeehh, he doesn't have a "grey" area, he just heard somewhere that an instructor can instruct with a 3rd class. He hasn't looked at the regs recently. Now it is spelled out clearly in black and white in 61.23. However, this same person will be confused with the concept of "instructing while NOT acting as PIC". That goes back to the days when you did not log PIC when there was an instructor on board. The instructor was ALWAYS the PIC. He is probably still living in that time. The times, they are a'changin'.
 
HangerRat said:
Why would you not log PIC when there was instructor on board? The instructor is the PIC. . .but you can still log PIC also, if you are rated in the aircraft.

Rat, re-read my post - I said "that goes back to the old days when you did not log PIC when there was an instructor on board"...back to the old days, not today.
This person asking the question about instructing with a 3rd class PROBABLY goes back to those old days....sheesh!
 
How about instructing based on the ATP (yes the scenario is in the proper context of instruction for an air carrier 135/121 in the airplane)? The ATP does not have any current CFI certs. Does he need a 3rd or since it is a privelage of the ATP does he need to hold a 1st class?
 
Lear Lackey said:
How about instructing based on the ATP (yes the scenario is in the proper context of instruction for an air carrier 135/121 in the airplane)? The ATP does not have any current CFI certs. Does he need a 3rd or since it is a privelage of the ATP does he need to hold a 1st class?

121 is not my field, but since the instructing is strictly a Captain instructing a junior officer in the operation of the 121 carrier, I would think the Captain would have to be the PIC and therefor at least a 3rd class. However, I think this is a moot point, since the carrier would certainly require him to have at least a second class, if not a first.

You aren't going to have private instruction in the operation of 121.
 

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