Industry standing and/or trend...ideas anyone??

[BlueEagle19]

What do you guys think, is the "big rebound" of aviation in US going to happen...is happening?? Or what you see is what you pretty much what you get? I just remember the days of being a student pilot and my first CFI leaving to an airline with 1500 hrs., here I am now with almost 1000 turbine PIC and 3000+ TT with no calls
I heard someone mention a bit ago that every industry rebounds, any thoughts? Foreign markets seem to be growing strong, geez corp aviation in eastern europe shows 100-200% annual growth, is it time to put a big furry hat on??

 

[SCT]

AIN reported today that Cessna and Gulfstream are going to build a record number of aircraft for this production year.

 

[CXAV8]

That's why I'm stuck at NJ.

 

[onthebeach]

Pot, meet kettle.

>>On a sidenote, if your spelling and grammar are as bad in this post as they are on your resume they may be holding you back.<<

Good point. By the way, it's "we're," not "were." Proofreading, lad...proofreading.

 

[BlueEagle19]

Hahaha outch here I was thinking a couple type o's in about 100-some words on the info site was ok!!! Buuuuurn! I bet you counted the 'geez' and 'corp' too eh....

But for the most part I'm not questioning pay, just the overall picture: layoffs, furloughed guys all around, guys driving RJ's and delivering pizza to live...
Something has to give!



Yeah my spelling sucks but come on...I do read on 10th grade level!

 

[matchthehatch]

The golden days are gone and not coming back. The days of aviation professionals being payed on par with other similarily trained professionals are over. In short, were bus drivers.

On a sidenote, if your spelling and grammar are as bad in this post as they are on your resume they may be holding you back.

Professor CXAV8,

The correct spelling is paid, not payed. Similarily is not a word, either, but similarly is.

 

[HawkerF/O]

>>On a sidenote, if your spelling and grammar are as bad in this post as they are on your resume they may be holding you back.<<

Good point. By the way, it's "we're," not "were." Proofreading, lad...proofreading.

There is no bigger truth than the one posted above. Grammar, spelling, barking demands, etc are huge. Let me give you 2 examples:

1) If you mail in the resume: Make sure the watermark is on the correct side of anything you print out and send to them and also make sure it is going in the right direction.

This shows you actually took the time to make sure your resume was as neat as possible. They have to weed guys out somehow, and something little like that is all it takes to get your resumes put in the "Dear Jon" pile.

2) A friend of mine that works for a large flt dept that is in the process of hiring. They have receive thousands, literally thousands of resumes. It's the best job in the state by far in terms of pay, schedule, and equipment. The job ad gave detailed directions about where to send the resume: To such and such at HR. People are backing that up by sending resumes to the CP as well, and they have no problem with that. What they do have a problem with is that the potential hew hires are opening the NBAA big book and using that info to send their copy of their resumes to. Well, the NBAA book has the company NBAA's reps name in the book, and not the CP. They are addressing the reusmes to the CP by title then unknowingly putting the company NBAA reps name on the address label thinking he is the CP. That shows the person has not taken to time to find out about the department in the company the are pleading to work for. Guess where those resumes go! Like it or not, something little like that is setting guys apart right out of the gate.

With most jobs, there are several people in the running. Most with similiar times/backgrounds. They have to weed out people somehow, and they start with the little things. And remember, just because a job says they want 8000 TT, don't think for a second a 2500 TT guy is out of the running. Let him come in with a solid resume and background, and he just made up for a lot others have taken for granted.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

The golden days are gone and not coming back.

Certainly for the 121 world. But I think there are still a few quality corporate careers out there. My employer for one.

Growing up in this business I've seen a lot. My dad flew 36 years for a fortune 100 company, thats "one" company. My brother; he's on his 4th. I've gone through 3 airlines, 2 corporate gigs. The business has certainly changed over the last 20 years, but there are still great places to fly airplanes. Its just harder to find them.

But that can be said for just about any career field.

 

[BlueEagle19]

Ah well you just gave me hope!! I never ever checked the watermark for proper page orientation...here goes another pack of resumes!!!
Anyone considered going overseas?? Given being singe, no strings...good option or bad call?

 

[Publishers]

The industry is not in as bad as shape as everyone seems to think. If there is anything out of whack it is the expectations, it is the thinking of the new crop of people flying and looking for employment. The resumes I see frankly stink adn the watermark is the last problem they have.
Electonic job boards have made it so easy to send a resume, no one takes the time or makes the effort to sell themselves.
In the end, the ability to sell yourself is what determines your future. I interviewed a guy yestereday who managed to get a F/O job with a large foreign carrier at 340 hours tt. Was there luck involved, sure. More importantly, he was extremely bright, outstanding academic record, presents himself exceptionally well, was neat and professional in all aspects of interviewing, and went above and beyond that which was required.
Will we go back to things like before, no. Should they, no. Like the auto workers who I read are a $65 an hour, you can and often have people who price themselves out the markets.

 

[AA717driver]

Uh, I have a question...


Exactly which side should the watermark be on relative to the printing?

Thanks in advance! TC

 

[Gulfstream 200]

WATERMARK orientation???


thats just g'dam priceless!

get the name, spelling right -- yes. In doubt? CALL.

but watermark??

You are not hired by your resume paper....and if someone judged you by your watermark orientation would YOU want to work for them??

 

[BlueEagle19]

Which bring up another question...since networking and knowing someone someplace seems to be 90% of current job placement, doesn't it mean that being bright, having an outstanding academic record as well as being neat and professional will really get you no further than the guy next to you who can offer less?? Seems one hand just washes the other...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Which bring up another question...since networking and knowing someone someplace seems to be 90% of current job placement, doesn't it mean that being bright, having an outstanding academic record as well as being neat and professional will really get you no further than the guy next to you who can offer less?? Seems one hand just washes the other...

I dont think so...not as much as in the past.

Knowing someone gets your the interview, not the job.

Competition for decent jobs is going to be strong wither way, I think you have to offer a lot regardless.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Which bring up another question...since networking and knowing someone someplace seems to be 90% of current job placement, doesn't it mean that being bright, having an outstanding academic record as well as being neat and professional will really get you no further than the guy next to you who can offer less?? Seems one hand just washes the other...

duplicate...sorry

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Which bring up another question...since networking and knowing someone someplace seems to be 90% of current job placement, doesn't it mean that being bright, having an outstanding academic record as well as being neat and professional will really get you no further than the guy next to you who can offer less?? Seems one hand just washes the other...

..........

 

[Lead Sled]

The best resume I ever saw was from a guy who had some custom sized paper. It was slightly (about 1/8th inch) wider and longer than the standard 8.5" x 11" sheets. Not enough to notice by itself, but it sure stood out when it was placed in a stack of resumes. Yes, he did get an interview, but he wasn't "the" guy we were looking for. He got an A for trying though.

'Sled

 

[Wang Chung]

It was slightly (about 1/8th inch) wider and longer than the standard 8.5" x 11" sheets. Not enough to notice by itself, but it sure stood out when it was placed in a stack of resumes....He got an A for trying though.

That's ingenious. Almost diabolical, really.

I guess size does matter.:erm:

 

[AA717driver]

doesn't it mean that being bright, having an outstanding academic record as well as being neat and professional will really get you no further than the guy next to you who can offer less??

But, if you're bright, have an outstanding academic record, be neat and professional you'll naturally gravitate toward others like you and you'll end up with the best jobs, live in the best neighborhoods, your kids will go to the best schools (private, naturally!), you'll be asked to join the "right" club and you'll marry well (Kappa or Theta, of course--having slummed with some Pi Phi's in school... ).

And, you'll live happily ever after... TC

 

[HawkerF/O]

The best resume I ever saw was from a guy who had some custom sized paper. It was slightly (about 1/8th inch) wider and longer than the standard 8.5" x 11" sheets. Not enough to notice by itself, but it sure stood out when it was placed in a stack of resumes. Yes, he did get an interview, but he wasn't "the" guy we were looking for. He got an A for trying though.

'Sled

Now that's slick. Very Creative