IFR Training and Airmet Zulu

[CougarAviator]

Fellow pilots, how can you justify flying IFR student into known icing conditions?

A C172 with pitot heat, is not the same as a King Air with de-icing boots etc...

Under what conditions is it acceptable to fly in known icing? Assume Airmet Zulu, and the freezing level is from the SFC to 8000......and sky is 700 ovc.


Is it better to fly another day, or is it good experience to dance with the ice witch....

 

[gkrangers]

Its acceptable to fly into known icing when the aircraft is equipped for flight into known icing and the crew is capable.

A C172 is not authorized for flight into known icing.

 

[minitour]

A C172 is not authorized for flight into known icing.

Yep...makes this whole subject a pretty open and shut case.

If you really want to think about it even though the plane isn't certified or even remotely capable of flight in known ice...don't. I've got just enough time in ice in 172's (not known...until I found it...then of course...) to know that I don't want any more.

Ice is too unpredictable for me to take a plane with no known ice protection up there.

-mii

 

[aerobaticspilot]

Do not fly a 172 into icing conditions thats a quick way to end your flying career. Flying in icing conditions is not a requirement for a rating so there is no point to go out and practice it. When the icing conditions exist sit your student down and give him a lesson on icing.

 

[CougarAviator]

I would never, nor have I ever, flown into known icing conditions....I was just curious as to the pulse of fellow pilots on this site...Glad to see my concerns and thoughts are shared....

I know of fellow pilots, who tempt fate way too often......and their boldness scares me to death.....

I am well aware of the saying: "There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no old bold pilots....."

Clear skies, gentlemen!!!!

 

[aucfi]

I know of fellow pilots, who tempt fate way too often......and their boldness scares me to death.....

Show this to them: http://aircrafticing.grc.nasa.gov/courses.html

Really opened up my eyes to the dangers of ice.

 

[pgcfii2002]

I believe it is illegal per FAR's to fly into "known" icing conditions. A forecast us just that.....the only real indication would be a PIREP and of course you up in the air with ice on the wings.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

I would never, nor have I ever, flown into known icing conditions....

Yes you will. That is if you plan on flying for a living. You just won't do it in a 172!!

 

[-Xavier-]

I believe it is illegal per FAR's to fly into "known" icing conditions. A forecast us just that.....the only real indication would be a PIREP and of course you up in the air with ice on the wings.

It is legal if the plane is properly equipped - although obviously not advised.

 

[NoPax]

It is legal if the plane is properly equipped - although obviously not advised.

Properly equipped and certified for flight into known icing...and all the equipment must be working - not good enough to equip it only.

Airmet Zulu, isn't "known icing"...its an advisory that (upto moderate) icing has been forecast in sometimes a large geographical area. As a former poster said, if its in a PIREP, then it's "known"

If your airport was clear below 12k, or even had clouds at 7 or 5k etc., and Airmet Zulu was in effect, then I'd say fly and have fun. But, the scenario you offered - Airmet Zulu, 700ovc, below freezing on the surface and aloft, I'd say it's a good time for groundschool, and the nasa icing video.

Anybody, seen the ADDS website with the icing forecast? I like that site, and has been a really good source for flight planning purposes.