I want my Jeps back!!!

[paid4training]

Okay I just started instructing at a new flight school. They ONLY teach the "other charts" but the only folks that use that NOAA thing is the military. I don't know of any airline or charter that uses NOAA and not Jeps. I don't have a lot of experience with NOAA charts, are their any videos or anything to get a refresher?

Thanks in advance

 

[BoilerUP]

The vast majority of private pilots with instrument ratings use NOS charts, so you'd be well advised to become comfortable with them if you have instrument students. The new NOS format isn't *that* different than Jepps, and 4.25 should buy you a set of NOS charts with a legend for you to decode. Its not really that hard.

I'd suggest you find a Jepp chart that you have and then google the same approach and download it in NOS format and compare for yourself.

I believe Airnet uses NOS, as well as many other 135 freight operators...but I'm not aware of any 121 operators currently using them.

 

[Say Again Over]

I was in the Navy and used NOS to begin with but there's something about a nice fresh set of Jeppesen charts (unless you're paying for them). Agree with previous post since at some point in your career you may need to use them.

 

[paulsalem]

No that it matters but its not NOS any longer. Its NACO - National Aeronautical Charting Office


http://naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp

Scroll down for free online charts.

 

[xshuttlefa]

I love my Jepps too, but most folks who are only going to get their or have their instrument rating "for emergency use" will use NACO due to cost. As my instrument instructor said to me " If you plan on making a living flying, most places use Jepps, so I would use them too." As far as I know, he did NOT work for Jeppesen! You could explain that to your students who might have career flying aspirations. Price for the Jepps is steep compared to NACO, but I still prefer theJepps, even on my meager budget.

Since most of the NACO chart is similiar to the Jepp now, it's not a huge difference to learn them. And the NACO chart makes some improvement over the Jepps in certain areas, which I was shown during my CFII but I can't recall right now.

 

[landlover]

Lots of cargo companies and charter ops use NOS charts. Once you have to update 4 sets of Canada,USA and central america you will love NOS charts too. Both charts show the same info and NOS charst are updated quicker, this equates to safer. NOS charst are more durable and easier to use than jepp charts.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

I still prefer the Jepps. The Q-Service makes updates less painful too.

However, my 135 company, Pinnacle Air, uses NOS for the US and Jepps for Canada, Alaska, and S. America.

NOS sucks.

 

[minitour]

...NOS charst are updated quicker, this equates to safer. NOS charst are more durable and easier to use than jepp charts.

I would disagree....I find the Jepps far more durable than that newspaper the NACO charts are printed on and also much easier to use.

I think the way certain things are depicted on the Jepps are better (feeder routes, obstacles, minimums and a few others) but all in all there's not too much difference.

It does suck to update Jepps, especially when all 25 ILS approaches and all of the STARs into DFW need updated at the same time...a price I'm willing to pay though.

-mini

 

[xshuttlefa]

To me, there's a split on the durability issue. Jepps approach charts are on bright white paper, the NACO are on a dark, sort of newsprint like paper. I don't have an issue if I use chart protectors for the Jepps, so I like the brighter appearance better.

The paper the enroute charts the Jepps are on is much flimsier then the NACO, but again, Jepp holds a slight edge, in my opinion, in the information provided.

 

[Flysher]

I think its been said but the NACO are much cheaper and give you the nitty gritty without the pizzaz(sp?) of Jepp charts. I learned on Jepps and then when I went for my CFII i decided that it would benefit me to train for that on NACO charts which paid off in the end. Now I work for Airnet and we use NACO approach plates and Jepp enroute charts ( their reasoning is that Jepp charts provide more "VFR" information than NACO enroute charts in case we fly VFR)

Personally I love the binded NACO charts. Instead of having a huge binder and fishing through the pages you just pull out the state your going to, tab the airport, and throw it in your bag. Then when your bouncing around, talkin on the radio, flyin and soaking wet from the rain you just loaded your plane in you dont have to fiddle.

my 2 cents