I am guessing they will find regional pilots at fault here.

[N813CA]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS...Type=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22&sp=true

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Yes they will, I also sense an eXtenze ad somewhere in there too.

 

[Erlanger]

Now if the F.O. was a former regional pilot and the one flying, well then the media will have a field day with it.

 

[hockeypilot44]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS...Type=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22&sp=true

In the last 8 years, the Majors have caused 0 fatalities. The regionals cannot say the same thing. Regional pilots are over-worked and under-paid. They are ran with on-time performance in mind more than safety. The majors are safer overall. That being said, an accident can happen to any one of us. Fly safe out there.

 

[Erlanger]

In the last 8 years, the Majors have caused 0 fatalities. The regionals cannot say the same thing. Regional pilots are over-worked and under-paid. They are ran with on-time performance in mind more than safety. The majors are safer overall. That being said, an accident can happen to any one of us. Fly safe out there.

What about the kid in the car killed at Midway by Southwest and the F.O. at American stomping on the rudder ripping it off over NY?

 

[rigger]

In the last 8 years, the Majors have caused 0 fatalities. The regionals cannot say the same thing. Regional pilots are over-worked and under-paid. They are ran with on-time performance in mind more than safety. The majors are safer overall. That being said, an accident can happen to any one of us. Fly safe out there.

As I posted already in the Major thread..... how ironic someone actually believes this!

Well all I can say is THANK GOD THEY WERE NOT REGIONAL PILOTS or there would be real mayhem at this airport! oh ummm wait.....Regional guys would surely have cras.......oh ummmm wait! If not for the major guys flying this thing there would have been people hur......... oh ummm wait! If not for the Major guys flying there would surely have been people killed....lot's of them! cause those regional pilot's can kill people!!! Ya that's it!

 

[suupah]

were there any reagional pilots on board? On the island? listed as non rev but didnt' get on? Were there any regional pilots in the gate area when it departed?
If yes to any of these questions.....

 

[LazyLightnin']

In their defense, the runway is only 9000 feet long.

 

[Kalifornia]

I think the scenarios involved are also a bit different which is why especially the low ball "regionals" have been given the rap they have now when it comes to accidents:

Read the Pinnacle transcript of the deadly joy of going up to FL410. When you get paid piss poor wages and have a terrible contract, I guess one tends to fall PilotYip's advice and just fly for the fun of it.

Read the Colgan transcript. 2 pilots discussing all the way down their aspirations to move on, just treating their current position as a stepping stone because again piss poor wages and a terrible contract, you're just looking ahead to the future. Plus all the other factors discussed in the transcript like fatigue, sick calls, almost zero winter experience, etc.

The latest incidents and accidents, we don't know for sure yet the circumstances, but I would guess the AA pilots made a professional mistake versus a major deadly lapse in professional demeanor.

 

[Flyin2low]

Regional pilots to blame

Maybe a Carribean Sun aircraft landed ahead of them and reported braking action as GOOD.

9000' is too short to land a 737?

 

[belliott]

Regional pilots to blame

Maybe a Carribean Sun aircraft landed ahead of them and reported braking action as GOOD.

9000' is too short to land a 737?

Uh... yeah... Caribbean Sun isn't in business anymore...

 

[pilotyip]

no problems at other places

I think the scenarios involved are also a bit different which is why especially the low ball "regionals" have been given the rap they have now when it comes to accidents:

Read the Pinnacle transcript of the deadly joy of going up to FL410. When you get paid piss poor wages and have a terrible contract, I guess one tends to fall PilotYip's advice and just fly for the fun of it.

Read the Colgan transcript. 2 pilots discussing all the way down their aspirations to move on, just treating their current position as a stepping stone because again piss poor wages and a terrible contract, you're just looking ahead to the future. Plus all the other factors discussed in the transcript like fatigue, sick calls, almost zero winter experience, etc.

The latest incidents and accidents, we don't know for sure yet the circumstances, but I would guess the AA pilots made a professional mistake versus a major deadly lapse in professional demeanor.

nope only have skill problems at the regional you won't find those professionals the majors over flying airports, running off of the runway. Nope all the problems are at the regional level because of pay.

 

[Metro752]

No YIP you have it all wrong, it is because EVERYONE at the majors has a college degree, and the regionals are all uneducated idiots like me!

That is why there are skill problems! If you have a degree from Embry Riddle you get stamped, ELITE FLYING SKILLS, on your FAA certificate.

It all comes down to that!

 

[Jar Jar]

nope only have skill problems at the regional you won't find those professionals the majors over flying airports, running off of the runway. Nope all the problems are at the regional level because of pay.

If you can find someone who makes the argument that all of the problems at the regional level are because of pay, then you have found a truly ignorant person.

If your opinion is that none of the problems within the regional airline industry could be resolved with pay increases, then you are also truly ignorant.

Its a multi-faceted industry, with a many many problems to be solved. Applying generalizations to the whole industry, or asserting that other individuals are doing so, does not at all contribute to anyone's overall understanding of the industry.

 

[pilotyip]

I love it

It all comes down to that!

I love it , Merry Christmas to you, keep up the great posts

If your opinion is that none of the problems within the regional airline industry could be resolved with pay increases, then you are also truly ignorant..

Got me all wrong I was making an absurd statement, of course problems are universal amongst all humans.

 

[Flyin2low]

No YIP you have it all wrong, it is because EVERYONE at the majors has a college degree, and the regionals are all uneducated idiots like me!

That is why there are skill problems! If you have a degree from Embry Riddle you get stamped, ELITE FLYING SKILLS, on your FAA certificate.

It all comes down to that!

I got ripped off then.

 

[Metro752]

You win some, you lose some!

 

[sayrejm]

Now we ALL know more people enjoy flying with an Auburn graduate than with an ERAU know it all with his "Elite Flying Skills..."

This should be fun.

 

[dojetdriver]

Oh brother, round and round, dead horse beating, circular argument to ensue.........

I think the scenarios involved are also a bit different which is why especially the low ball "regionals" have been given the rap they have now when it comes to accidents:

Sort of.

Read the Pinnacle transcript of the deadly joy of going up to FL410. When you get paid piss poor wages and have a terrible contract, I guess one tends to fall PilotYip's advice and just fly for the fun of it.

Read the Colgan transcript. 2 pilots discussing all the way down their aspirations to move on, just treating their current position as a stepping stone because again piss poor wages and a terrible contract, you're just looking ahead to the future. Plus all the other factors discussed in the transcript like fatigue, sick calls, almost zero winter experience, etc.

Read the transcripts on AA's Columbia/LIT accidents. Lengthy error chains, leading to deadly results. Poor CRM, poor SA, poor SOP adherence, etc.

So in the following two examples, where should the outrage really be?

Poorly trained, inexperienced pilots kill people. As sad as it is, that's a direct cause/effect relationship. It's just a matter of time before that relationship will develop. OR,

Experienced/high paid pilots, have severe lapse in judgment, poor SA, don't follow SOPs, and kill people. How can such professionals make so many mistakes? I mean, they're the higher paid, more experienced pilots, they should be flawless, should they not?

The latest incidents and accidents, we don't know for sure yet the circumstances, but I would guess the AA pilots made a professional mistake versus a major deadly lapse in professional demeanor.

Reference the above examples, can you REALLY say what the difference is between a "professional mistake" and a "deadly lapse in professional demeanor" is? The crews in Columbia/LIT did BOTH. Using good judgment, keeping SA up, using CRM, following SOP's is ALL part of "professional demeanor".

Note, not picking on AA. It's just that both those accidents make for good examples.

Point is, highly experienced pilots can kill people just as easily and quickly as those that aren't. It's been happening for years.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Are some of you guys so insecure with your positions as Regional Pilots that you resort to "keeping score" to make yourselves feel better?

Go to work, move pax and cargo from A to B safely, go home, collect your paycheck. Repeat weekly