HP endorsement & PIC time

[mayday1]

I'm about to begin my CFI training at my local FBO, and as I understand, my checkride needs to be in a complex airplane. The only complex plane they have (other than multi's) is a Bellanca Super Viking, which is also a high performance plane. I think I know the answer here.. but, I can't log PIC in this single until I receive the HP endorsement, right???

My only other option is to do the MEI first, log 15 or so multi PIC hours, which is great, except for the fact that it will 1) cost more 2) still not allow me to instruct (they're not going to give a brand new instructor multi students) 3) extend the timetable significantly before getting the single and instrument add-ons to the MEI. I want my CFI asap, and to begin instructing asap.

PS -- I'm reluctant to go elsewhere for my CFI because I think I have a much better chance of being offered a job at this FBO if I get my CFI with them.

Any other thoughts/approaches?

 

[minitour]

...I think I know the answer here.. but, I can't log PIC in this single until I receive the HP endorsement, right???...

Log or act? Two different things.

You can log, because it's an Airplane Single-Engine Land.

You can't Act because you aren't authorized to act as PIC of a High Performance airplane. I wanna say it's in 61.31 (might be 61.30...somewhere in there).

Anywho, you're appropriately rated to fly the airplane, you just need the training and endorsement in 61.3-something to act as PIC.

*edit*
It is 61.31, but as I re-re-re-read 61.51, I may be wrong on the acting vs. logging thing here...someone else will have to help me out on this one

I'd wait on the MEI until you can actually get some multi-students.

Or...maybe to stay "current" in the twin, when you go up to get twin time, go with an MEI and do it from the right seat...maybe once a month or so you go get some dual towards the MEI and it keeps you current...by the time you're proficient from the right side, you'll be able to get students. Kinda killing two birds with one stone.

Just an opinion though...

-mini

 

[flyguy81]

You can fly the thing til you're blue in the face and log ASEL all day long, but no PIC until you have your HP endorsement. Doesn't take long, an hour of ground and an hour flying in the plane until you're comfortable in it. Could be more depending on how quickly you pick up on it. After the endorsement log all the PIC you want.

 

[minitour]

eh...I knew as soon as I hit "submit" it was wrong...oh well...

Thanks for the help

-mini

 

[wheelsup]

I think I know the answer here.. but, I can't log PIC in this single until I receive the HP endorsement, right???

Nope, you can log it as PIC - you're logging for category (airplane) and class (SEL). No mention of HP or complex in there.

You can't ACT (i.e. fly solo or fly with someone who isnt' acting as PIC) until you receive the signoffs.

cya
~wheelsup

Edit: I should mention the reg that allows you to log it as PIC is the part 61 sole manipulator reg - can't quite get it off memory though. So all the time you're flying hands on, you can log as PIC and dual received (just like when you did your instrument).

 

[midlifeflyer]

eh...I knew as soon as I hit "submit" it was wrong
-mini

No, mini. When you said

You can log, because it's an Airplane Single-Engine Land.

you were absolutely right.

But it is pretty new stuff. The FAA Legal group only made it clear about 25 years ago, so it's understandable that some folks still get it wrong.

 

[mayday1]

ok, i got it.. thanks for the replies...

 

[minitour]

No, mini. When you said

you were absolutely right.

But it is pretty new stuff. The FAA Legal group only made it clear about 25 years ago, so it's understandable that some folks still get it wrong.

wait...so I was right the first time?

 

[Ralgha]

.Yep.

 

[minitour]

.Yep.

GDit...I hate it when I second guess myself...

Thanks though!

-mini