How to Decertify a Union

[D'Angelo]

http://www.nrtw.org/d/deauth_decert_rla.htm

That link will give anyone who is interested the information they need if they feel like they should no longer have to pay dues or be in a union. Its time for EMPLOYEE RIGHTS and FREEDOM OF CHOICE. These unions use the propoganda of "not once more cent". I say lets not give ONE MORE CENT to ALPA. Remember a majority does have to vote on it. Its all about freedom of choice. The days of the mafia running the show must end now. Good luck to all and lets get the ball rolling. Show them how much they really do need our dues. They only care about the majors time for us guys at comair and other places to take down the house! HOLLA

 

[DrewBlows]

What the hell is wrong with you? You go on a public forum and sing the praises of a pay cut, brag about picking up open time while furloughs (including me) are on the street collecting no pay, now you post a link to decertify the union.

News flash douche bag, you are the union. You voted yourself a pay cut. The union had nothing to do with it except collecting the ballots. If your looking to place blame, look in the mirror.

I sincerely hope that I'm never forced to fly with you.

 

[D'Angelo]

Hey im starting this revolution because they failed us. We were FORCED into the paycuts because they allow other airlines to undercut or take pay cuts. I would have been happy to vote no if they would attatch some sort of stigma to anyone who tries to undercut. They don't do that though they sit on their fat a$$es in D.C collecting their dues eating lobster and drinking fine scotch laughing at how they have everyone by the nuts. Well im showing everyone there is a way out. You DONT have to pay dues and you are legally entitled to oust the union. Im sure i will encounter resistance at first but lets get this rolling baby!

 

[uba757]

He's an A$$. You should not even waste your time answering anything he puts down. UBA757

 

[WTF-Over]

D'angelo,
Would I be right in asuming that you have resigned your ALPA membership and this is why you are posting here?

 

[D'Angelo]

He's an A$$. You should not even waste your time answering anything he puts down. UBA757

A$$? Im trying to start my own boston tea party here. ALPA has been screwing everyone too long with forced dues so now i say its time to dump them in the harbor. In time perhaps i will be seen as a hero. All i want is FREEDOM OF CHOICE. A true democracy is what we all deserve not forced to pay for services we may or may not want. Let the revolution begin!

 

[uba757]

The only thing you are rolling is the weed you are smoking. UBA757

 

[DrewBlows]

Hey im starting this revolution because they failed us. We were FORCED into the paycuts because they allow other airlines to undercut or take pay cuts.

What were you forced into? YOU voted yourself a pay cut. Place blame where blame is due. I do.

 

[WTF-Over]

A true democracy is what we all deserve not forced to pay for services we may or may not want. Let the revolution begin!

So, have you resigned your ALPA membership then???

 

[wmuflyguy]

So if you get rid of the union is that like a 2% raise?

 

[D'Angelo]

What were you forced into? YOU voted yourself a pay cut. Place blame where blame is due. I do.

I was forced by allowing contracts like mesa into the game. It was either take a cut, still make more than them or lose my job. I chose keeping my senority and not taking a huger paycut starting over at another airline. Lets get that petition drive going! As far as resigning my membership as of now no. Why would I? In the current environment i am FORCED to pay dues therefore I might as well keep whatever rights I have by being FORCED to pay. I will be happy to resign if I can stop being FORCED to pay dues. Remember you still have rights even in a dictatorship!

 

[AviatorTx]

Freedom of choice: Go to work for an airline that is not ALPA. That choice is yours. There are many of them.

P.S. What is your solution?

1. Non union - Skywest flying 70 seat jets for 50 seat pay.

2. Teamsters - CHQ, G0-Jet, and Fu*kstream... Need I say more.

3. ALPA - Yes, problems there also (Mesa).

4. RALPA? - Who is going to pay for it. On regional pay, your dues would have to be something like 10% of your pay just to come close to the benefits of ALPA or Teamsters.

Like someone else said.. YOU are the union. Then again... Your avatar should be a fire handle for your flame bait.

 

[Sig]

A$$? Im trying to start my own boston tea party here. ALPA has been screwing everyone too long with forced dues so now i say its time to dump them in the harbor. In time perhaps i will be seen as a hero. All i want is FREEDOM OF CHOICE. A true democracy is what we all deserve not forced to pay for services we may or may not want. Let the revolution begin!

Suck it, poseur. Inasmuch as I can't stand the hypocrisy of the biggest wigs in the union national level, they ARE the only agent between me and my management. Keep on emulating a bi!ch-smacking turd of a looter, and we'll keep laughing at you.

Yes, ALPA at large is a mishmash spring-locked to failure. Who the he!! do you have in mind? More forced dues to not be able affect change, AFTER the retooling of the union bureaucracy at great expense and pols-pocket lining?

Get REAL, G. Werd.

 

[AviatorTx]

I chose keeping my senority and not taking a huger paycut starting over at another airline.

BTW.. That makes YOU part of the problem. Welcome to the party, pal.

 

[WTF-Over]

You can resign and stop paying dues anytime you want to. You should be the first off your own boat. Your not even taking your own advise. Not happy with ALPA? Well your not the only one, but it's better then nothing at all. You can still keep your job and leave ALPA, no one will stop you. Let me be the first to say GOODBYE!!

 

[jeroom]

The only thing you are rolling is the weed you are smoking. UBA757

AHAH, LMAO!!

 

[D'Angelo]

Actually you do have freedom to speak your mind in the union. Just because I was forced in doesn't mean I have to drink the ALPO koolaid and sing the not one more cent song like a sheep to the slaughter. Its time to show people their rights. Whoever wants to set new law lets end this forced dues BS right now. Its time to set new precedents. Time to say we aren't gonna take it anymore. So wait I am the union however I have to let the MEC speak for me? How am I the union then if im not allowed to speak my mind.

 

[D'Angelo]

You can resign and stop paying dues anytime you want to. You should be the first off your own boat. Your not even taking your own advise. Not happy with ALPA? Well your not the only one, but it's better then nothing at all. You can still keep your job and leave ALPA, no one will stop you. Let me be the first to say GOODBYE!!

You can leave the union anytime you want but you can be fired for not paying at least maintenance fees under the RLA. That is a fact. Doesn't matter if your a member or not you still have to pay fees related to the cost of the contract. If you do not pay then you can be fired and the company has no choice. I refer you to http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=466&invol=435 this case establishes this fact. I am saying you shouldnt even have to pay this fee if you dont want to. That is why I am waiting.

 

[AviatorTx]

Just because I was forced in doesn't mean I have to drink the ALPO koolaid and sing the not one more cent song like a sheep to the slaughter.

Forced? Who was holding the gun to your head?

You mentioned Mesa in one of your posts... By YOUR self admitting to voting for concessions, that makes YOU, NO different than a Mesa guy, that voted yes on their sorry contract.

 

[D'Angelo]

Forced? Who was holding the gun to your head?

You mentioned Mesa in one of your posts... By YOUR self admitting to voting for concessions, that makes YOU, NO different than a Mesa guy, that voted yes on their sorry contract.

Let me spell it out clearly for you. Two options. ONE take a paycut and still make more than MESA. Two vote no "hold the line" so other airlines can get our flying. Ergo we all get furloughed ERGO we start all over anyway. Is that not a much larger paycut? Not to mention a huge hit on QOL. Starting over at an airline is much worse than taking a paycut. So I say yes we were forced. I guarantee you if we voted no not one pilot group would refuse to pick up that flying. That is how we were forced. I chose the paycut. Open time here and there and its all good. I realize its a tough environment. Time to stop living in the past and yes time for cut throat competition. If we were offered one more smaller paycut on the condition it would throw all those mesa clowns on the street id do it in a heart beat.

 

[jpeace02]

D'Angelo,

i don't mean this as a smart remark but you might want to try reading, "Flying the Line." Both books I and II are good. *************************S is a perfect example of non union flying and the problems it can cause ie. decreased pay, bad work rules, bad health plans, over all terrible quality of life.

 

[DrewBlows]

So if you get rid of the union is that like a 2% raise?

Yeah that's true, right up until the company decides that you make too much money and cut it some more, this time you don't get a vote. And if you bitch about it they can fire you because it's their company. Sure you can go argue, you might get your job back, but don't ever plan on upgrading. Those guys junior to you who are in CVG, they'll be your captain. Hope you don't ever loose you medical, if you do it's time to go back to school and guess who get's to pay for it. That's right, you do! But yeah, go ahead and vote ALPA off property, I'm sure it's in your best interest to do so.

Sorry for the rant. Steaming.

 

[AviatorTx]

Let me spell it out clearly for you.

OK, then clearly we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I dont agree that we should get rid of the union.

We definately need to get rid of the Leadership there. They let us down, and screwing us.

They are letting the company bring back people off furlough to their original domicles and leaving the dispalced pilots to fend for themselves(even thought they are more senior). Why?? So the company doesn;t have to pay for the furloughed guys move if they get recalled to a differnt domicle. They are helping the company at our expense. Total BS.

Are union is in a sad sad state. The leadership must go.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

Sad that attitudes like this is what has dragged down our profession below the dregs of the earth. I also was not a fan of ALPA. But because of ALPA, I was pay protected when I bid for a position of higher pay and the company elected to withhold me from training. And about the time a lack of communication caused me to get terminated for refusing to take a drug test? ALPA fought and got my job back along with back pay. Yes, ALPA has made erros by allowing concessionary agreements and allowing substandard collective bargaining agreements. but they didn't know the legacy carriers were going to play the games they play with the pay to play rule. However, look at all they've done. They restored jumpseating rights after it was taken from us after 9/11. Did you know after 9/11 the FAA wanted to go around doing random patdowns on the ramp? ALPA fought this and now it didn't happen. Plus, they are fighting for pension reform as well. If you hate unions, I suggest you go work for a non union carrier, and see how you are treated and how your work rules and pay can change anytime they feel like it. I could go on and on, but I won't.

 

[D'Angelo]

OK, then clearly we will just have to agree to disagree.

yes clearly we will have to.. Moving on however I think starting the decertification process would be a great wakeup call for ALPO. It will show them we arent just gonna drink the kool-aid anymore. If they wanna fix the biz then they need to treat any flying lost by another airline due to refusal to take paycuts in the same manner as struck work. If they did this I would be happy to vote down a paycut. Unfortunately they are too busy worrying about saving pensions. That's my breaking point. If they want a war theyve got one and dammn right im gonna fight like hell to keep what ive got. Im not losing senority or QOL just to "hold the line" for people that won't even appriciate it. They wanted every man for himself well now theyve got it. ALPA actually endorsed and recommended a yes vote to MESAs TA. Now look at where we are. If ALPA had refused that TA I would be happy to continue paying dues. Well lets just say im a realist now. Im with the people in the middle. No more union kool aid and no more hard line tactics. Gotta do what it takes to stay in the game. Its time to work with management and stop drinking the management is evil alpa is good koolaid. Its time for freedom of choice and everyone to be allowed to speak for themselves. Let the petition drive begin!

 

[MMO 0.705]

I am soo glad I left the regionals.........it seems to get worse by the minute.....ALPA has done some good but I think the regionals arent represented very well

 

[DrewBlows]

They are letting the company bring back people off furlough to their original domicles and leaving the dispalced pilots to fend for themselves(even thought they are more senior). Why?? So the company doesn;t have to pay for the furloughed guys move if they get recalled to a differnt domicle. They are helping the company at our expense. Total BS.

Have you filed a greivance?

 

[cmrflyer]

D'angelo just needs to go back to the comfort of the academy.

As much as ALPA sucks, and it really sucks, its still better than no union, not much, but still better.

Calm down D'Angelo you yes voting tool, it is us,the no voters, that should be going mad at morons like you.

You make me sick, YOU vote this crap in and then blame everyone but yourself for the situation YOU put us in, you should have been a MESA pilot, you would fit in perfectly with those wankers.

 

[Texx]

Hey im starting this revolution because they failed us. We were FORCED into the paycuts because they allow other airlines to undercut or take pay cuts. I would have been happy to vote no if they would attatch some sort of stigma to anyone who tries to undercut. They don't do that though they sit on their fat a$$es in D.C collecting their dues eating lobster and drinking fine scotch laughing at how they have everyone by the nuts. Well im showing everyone there is a way out. You DONT have to pay dues and you are legally entitled to oust the union. Im sure i will encounter resistance at first but lets get this rolling baby!

You voted in JC and your group. They brought the deals to your pilots. You guys voted for the deals.

Deal with it. It's no ones fault but your own. National didn't put a gun to your head did they. I didn't think so.