how much should i get paid??????

[jrbevis]

I just started a great new job flying all part 91 in a jet. I am new to this buisness, and I dont know if i should be happy where I am or if I should be looking for a new job. The people I work for and with are all great. I just dont know what others like me are getting paid or what others got paid when they were at my level.

1600 hrs
600 multi
70 jet

Thanks for all your input.

 

[jrbevis]

Forgot to add

I forgot to ask, is there a level where the jobs start to become more accessable, and where the pay starts to get better? Or does it just happen in time?

THANKS

 

[mobie]

Pay

For a Saber 60 you should not be less than $50,000 if you did it is less that the going rate.

Here in Central NC most non rated jobs start at that rate, there are some low ball 135 ops. that start at 26k, but I would stay away for more reasons than pay.

Local LR31 SIC is $50k for 91/135. Down the road there are some low ball LR-jet ops that do not keep anyone very long, look out for the "long term training contract". I know of one that has now made present pilots sign one for two years and one more year for each recurrent that have already worked there for a year.

 

[LXJ31]

I just started a great new job flying all part 91 in a jet. I am new to this buisness, and I dont know if i should be happy where I am or if I should be looking for a new job. The people I work for and with are all great. I just dont know what others like me are getting paid or what others got paid when they were at my level.

1600 hrs
600 multi
70 jet

Thanks for all your input.

Don't take this the wrong way but... Why are you asking other people if you should be happy; what we think has nothing to do with it, do YOU think you should be happy? As far as the salary and benefits, there are detailed salary surveys available online (most require a fee) that will give you a benchmark.

You "just started a great new job flying" but "should I be looking for a new job?"

Did they send you to school? Did they take a risk hiring a young pilot with modest credentials or should they have hired a more experienced (perhaps typed) pilot and pay that person a little more? The answer is going to be completely up to you.

Without really knowing the specifics of your situation, my general advice to you would be to slow down, be content that you may have found a decent job given your level of experience in this job market, and learn as much as you possibly can about your occupation, every aspect that you can. If you leave for another job right after you got this one, especially if they invested alot of training in you, that decision will probably come back to haunt you down the road when you discuss your job history in an interview.

Strong ethics and character will take you a long way.

 

[loverobot]

I think he was trying to figure out what the market rate is. Kind of like the "Kelly Blue Book" of corporate pilot jobs. You gave him a nice rendition of the Dr. Phil version, but the lad wants numbers.

 

[loverobot]

JrBevis,

Sorry but I don't know what the salary would be, as I have only worked on daily rate part time.

I've seen daily rates for SIC's in smaller equipment run at about 300 to 400 a day in a Citation V. Good luck.

 

[cheyflyer]

I just started a great new job flying all part 91 in a jet. I am new to this buisness, and I dont know if i should be happy where I am or if I should be looking for a new job. The people I work for and with are all great. I just dont know what others like me are getting paid or what others got paid when they were at my level.

1600 hrs
600 multi
70 jet

Thanks for all your input.

Not sure exactly what you are making but I would guess that YOU knew what is was going to be before you started. So even if it is peanuts you have somewhat of an obligation to give your employer somewhat of a return on their investment provided they have upheld their end of ya'lls agreement. You stated "its a great job" so it must be a good company who is doing something right. If so, do you leave to go to a crap company that might pay a little more but have horrible schedules and treat you like s*&t? Or do you take less to really enjoy what you are doing?

Regardless, congrats on your new job. Have fun and dont get cought up in thinking the grass may be greener somewhere else. It could be, but only because its growing in a big pile of crap.

I dont know anything about the Sabre 60 market but would guess that FO pay ranges from 36 to 50 thousand per year.


cf

 

[loverobot]

I don't get it. Is it inappropriate to ask what a fair wage is in this business without getting a lecture about obligations and ethics?

You guys are too much. At the end of the day our freind here is a professional pilot, asking professionals what a the market wage is. From the sound of it you guys are treating the profession as some kind of charity.

The NBAA does a comprehensive evaluation of pay, benefit, and work rules every year. Do a search for it on Google, look elsewhere on Flightinfo. It probably has exactly the information you are looking for, without the "feel good" lecture.

Good luck

 

[loverobot]

Oh yeah. Its called: NBAA salary survey, I think.

 

[cheyflyer]

I don't get it. Is it inappropriate to ask what a fair wage is in this business without getting a lecture about obligations and ethics?

Not at all, but it sounds like Bevis Jr is having second thoughts about a job he seems to really like because of pay. Like I said, if he just started and knew what they were offering at that time, it would be UNPROFFESIONAL to leave for a few extra dollars. With 1,500 hours he has been doing this at least long enough to know people and where to look to see if a potential employer is competetive in what they are offering. Besides pay, there are other benefits to consider....are you getting them/any now?.....does the next company that pays more offer anything else? If I'm giving a lecture sorry...but look real close at what you have now before chasing a few bucks all over the country.

It is possible to have gotten caught up in the excitement of getting an opportunity to fly jets early in his career....thinking man, thats a good cracker...what is that...thats a Ritz cracker, then within a couple months realizing you just got some plain ol crackers. If so, then do what you have to. But be aware, aviation is a very small world. Just dont burn any bridges.

Loverobot....if you're a student learning in a J3...thats awesome. What a fun plane to learn to fly. Do as much as you can in that plane and you will probably be a much better stick later on. I dont want to lecture so goodluck.



cf

 

[LXJ31]

I don't get it. Is it inappropriate to ask what a fair wage is in this business without getting a lecture about obligations and ethics?

You guys are too much. At the end of the day our freind here is a professional pilot, asking professionals what a the market wage is. From the sound of it you guys are treating the profession as some kind of charity.

The NBAA does a comprehensive evaluation of pay, benefit, and work rules every year. Do a search for it on Google, look elsewhere on Flightinfo. It probably has exactly the information you are looking for, without the "feel good" lecture.

Good luck

You know what? You are right, do whatever you want. After reading this board for a few years I've just realized offering advice is pointless.

Go ahead, when someone offers you a tiny bit more scratch, take it and run on to the next job. When someone presumes to offer help, crap in your hand and throw it at them, thats what they deserve. LOL...trying to help, who do they think they are???


EDIT:..."shoot"...heh!

 

[Photoflight]

man, thats a good cracker...what is that...thats a Ritz cracker, then within a couple months realizing you just got some plain ol crackers.

I dont know why but that made me crack up

 

[flyinlow67]

I am getting paid WAY under what I should for being PIC in two different pistons and SIC in a jet. That said, I work with a bunch of really good pilots, at a really good company, with really good maintenance. I can live with it. The opportunity is there to make more, and it is up to me to do it. That is what you have to ask yourself. I am paying the bills and putting money away for the first time in a long time. Is it worth it to you? Not every one else here, but you?

 

[jrbevis]

Thanks to everyone for your information. I will check out the internet sites you recomended. For thoes of you who were confused about the questions in my post my only questions were:
1. What should someone with my qualifactions be making?
2. And how does the pay go up form there?
Thankyou

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Thanks to everyone for your information. I will check out the internet sites you recomended. For thoes of you who were confused about the questions in my post my only questions were:
1. What should someone with my qualifactions be making?
2. And how does the pay go up form there?
Thankyou

Im not sure what you are looking to hear. Some guys will tell you 15K and be happy, others will say they make 100K+...

learn Negotiation 101.

Many times in our business you get what you talk yourself into. Take into consideration the market, the job itself, and your own worth! salarys are more flexible than you may think, especially if you are bringing in exactly what they want.

my guess - 90% of pilots undersell themselves as they are afraid of not getting that seat.

 

[FlyFlyFly]

Generally, pay is for the work performed and not for TT. Perhaps you could let us know more about the job: aircraft, hour flown per year, other responsibilities, etc. I could give you a range based upon that.

 

[jrbevis]

The job entails about 40-50 hrs a month. Really not preforming duties other then showing up and flying. I need to make sure we have coffee and papers of course but really I dont have to do much. I feel like I make the proper amount of money for what I have to do, but if I was will to do more, how much would that be worth? What do other companies expect of their SIC and what is the pay range for them?

 

[CDogg]

The 2005 salary study says a Sabre60 FO makes anywhere from 30-45k with a 33k average. Personally, I'd try and get what makes your QOL good for you and what you think you deserve for your duties performed. The company I work for knows I can fly, but it's how you interact with your boss and everyone else while you're working that really proves you're a good guy to have around and you deserve what you ask for. I asked 45k/yr + benefits for the current 421 job I have and they had no problem giving that to me. That's pretty good money for a 421 flying 40-50 hours a month... well to me it is, but the people I work for are great, we go to cool places, eat good food... it's a blast.

If I were you i'd be asking for 40k at the very least, the worste they can do is say no... and by not asking for what you think is fair, you're only selling yourself short. Good luck.

 

[Swaayze]

If you just took the job I'd recommend keeping your mouth shut and your nose clean for 6 mos or so. Do your research online and in FBO's around the country. Prove you're good for them and then ask for a fair salary. If you took the job below market bring that up in a very non-confrontational manner, explain that you did that as an in so that you could prove yourself, and then request that you be compensated more along the upper end of the salary range your research turns up.

Of course this is JMO, and worth what you paid for it. After all, I'm covered by an airline contract and making much less than I'm worth - so maybe you shouldn't listen to me!

 

[jrbevis]

Thanks for everyones feedback!!!