How far from domicile ?? NJA

[kommutrdog]

I know this has been discussed before...folded, spindled and mutilated. I've also studied NJA's new cba and I've come to the conclusion that I could live anywhere as long as I show at domicile at the required time...do I have this right ?

I would have to make about a 100 mile drive, 2x a month, which I could live with.

Also, could anyone shed some light on the 'satellite airport' concept. For me, PBI would be my one and only domicile I could use (family reasons) and if only FLL or MIA were satellite airports, that would make for a very LONG drive for me.

Sorry to re-hash old news, but I'm trying to make the best decisons/career move and I'm trying to gain info.

Thanks in advance for any input/advice. Please pm me if anyone has anything good to add.

 

[lodgepilot]

commuting

i live in canada, with a sea HBA (grandfathered)
as long as i get my sorry butt to sea on time they could care less where i live. someone else will have to tackle the satellite airport concept as i do not know.

 

[Guitar Guy]

The satellite airport for PBI is FLL. If the company assigns you to begin a tour there, they have to return to that airport at the end of the tour. The company is also responsible for parking fees at the satellite airport.

Also, the CBA requires that the satellite be within 90 miles of the crewmember's residence. If it's more than 90 miles from your residence to FLL, they can't assign you to use that satellite airport.

 

[flyinboy]

Satellite for CMH

Is there a satellite airport for CMH?

 

[Guitar Guy]

Is there a satellite airport for CMH?

Yes, it's OSU.

 

[Going2Baja]

What happens if you live more than the 90 miles from the satellite? CAn you pick a closer satellite? Lax is 96, Vny is 116, but SNA is 60....Hmmmmn????

Baja.

 

[Guitar Guy]

What happens if you live more than the 90 miles from the satellite? CAn you pick a closer satellite? Lax is 96, Vny is 116, but SNA is 60....Hmmmmn????

Baja.

If you live more than 90 miles from the satellite, they can't assign you to use it. Right now, they only have one 1 satellite for LAX so if you live more than 90 miles from VNY, you can relax and not worry about the satellite airport issue. The company can designate more than one satellite airport per domicile, but a crewmember is only required to chose 1 satellite airport. And so far, the company has only designated one satellite airport per domicile.

 

[LostComm]

I know this has been discussed before...folded, spindled and mutilated. I've also studied NJA's new cba and I've come to the conclusion that I could live anywhere as long as I show at domicile at the required time...do I have this right ?

I would have to make about a 100 mile drive, 2x a month, which I could live with.

Reference the above. I'm in indoc now and we had the union guys come tonight and discuss the contract. You can live anywhere you want, period, so long as you are there (at your domicile) on time as briefed.

 

[BengalsFan]

I thought NJA used the 5 domiciles... what is a sattelite airport, and is it a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[Guitar Guy]

I thought NJA used the 5 domiciles... what is a sattelite airport, and is it a good thing or a bad thing?

NJA does use the 5 domiciles for new-hires, as well as HBA-grandfathered pilots who live in those cities. The satellite airport simply gives the company a little more flexibility on where to start someone. I would guess that it's possible that they could have a jet left at a satellite airport that needs crewing and instead of having someone show at their domicile and then having to get a taxi or limo over to the plane, they could simply assign someone to show at the satellite and save some duty time. In the case of DFW (the satellite for DAL), it might make it a little easier to arrange for an airline.

And yes, the company has to return the crewmember to the satellite airport at the end of the tour, if that's where the tour began.

 

[Krapflier]

Change of Domicile

Once your assigned a domicile as a new hire can you change it fairly easy? Example. Originaly assigned to DAL but 6 months in move to CMH? I'm assuming it all seniority based and can move only when you can hold it...

 

[Guitar Guy]

Once your assigned a domicile as a new hire can you change it fairly easy? Example. Originaly assigned to DAL but 6 months in move to CMH? I'm assuming it all seniority based and can move only when you can hold it...

I've wondered about that question, too. I don't recall reading anything about that in the contract. Prior to the new contract, you simply notified the company that you were moving and that was pretty much that. With the new domicile system, I don't know how moving is handled, particularly for those pilots without HBA.

Sounds like a good question to ask in the interview.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Once your assigned a domicile as a new hire can you change it fairly easy? Example. Originaly assigned to DAL but 6 months in move to CMH? I'm assuming it all seniority based and can move only when you can hold it...

Someone else had the same question on another thread.

The way I read it, there is no mechanism for new-hires to change Domiciles. New-hires will "report to a Domicile (or satellite airport when applicable) as directed by the Company, until such time as the crewmember is eligible to use a Home Base Airport." However, you will be eligible for moving expenses once during your employment (I guess assuming you are awarded HBA in the future, move, then later elect to move to a Domicile). You might want to clarify that at the interview, and get it in writing if they agree to it.

 

[hopalong]

Reference the above. I'm in indoc now and we had the union guys come tonight and discuss the contract. You can live anywhere you want, period, so long as you are there (at your domicile) on time as briefed.

That is awesome. How would it work when you are on reserve? I live 4 hrs.
from columbus. I guess a better question is how does reserve work?
Are you on call 24/7 and have to be within a certain time from your
domicile?

 

[Guitar Guy]

Reserve schedule

Section 19.3 of the CBA covers the reserve schedule. You can go to http://www.ibt1108.org, click on "NetJets pilots", chose "Info for New Hires" and then select "Contract" to read it in full.

To summarize, unless you are on a required day off (either one of the four monthly H-days or a required day off following a tour), you are to follow the contact procedures in Section 28.2 to identify workdays. Section 28.2 says that the company is to contact you via the blackberry by 1800 local (your time zone) to give you a briefing. If you don't receive a briefing by 1800 local, you are to contact the company by 1900 local to get that briefing. There is no 24/7 standby.

So you'll know the evening before if the next day is a duty day or not when you are on reserve. If it is a day of work, you'll be told when and where to report. I've heard others talk about how the reserve schedule is actually working out so it would be best if they chime in themselves, as I'm on the 7/7 schedule.

 

[jtf]

I don't believe you can change domiciles once you go to one as a new hire. It is not in the contract and that is what we are bound by. I was told when I interviewed that I could change at the quarters, but I now think they were wrong and they probably are not giving that information any more. I would have taken the job either way, but I was hoping to change next year. Maybe some time in the not too distant future more bases will be added and if this happens I would guess a new clause would be included to allow the moves within the gateways, but who knows.

 

[hopalong]

Section 19.3 of the CBA covers the reserve schedule. You can go to http://www.ibt1108.org, click on "NetJets pilots", chose "Info for New Hires" and then select "Contract" to read it in full.

To summarize, unless you are on a required day off (either one of the four monthly H-days or a required day off following a tour), you are to follow the contact procedures in Section 28.2 to identify workdays. Section 28.2 says that the company is to contact you via the blackberry by 1800 local (your time zone) to give you a briefing. If you don't receive a briefing by 1800 local, you are to contact the company by 1900 local to get that briefing. There is no 24/7 standby.

So you'll know the evening before if the next day is a duty day or not when you are on reserve. If it is a day of work, you'll be told when and where to report. I've heard others talk about how the reserve schedule is actually working out so it would be best if they chime in themselves, as I'm on the 7/7 schedule.

Thanks guitarguy. If I get the job I think I'm gonna make the four hour drive with the bedrock mobile. Yabba dabba doo. AAHHH, nothing like traveling in
a 1994 ford aspire w/no radio.

 

[d91papa]

Too bad STL or SUS couldn't be a satelitte for CMH! It'll be interesting to see how well my 6.5 hour commute works out! At least I got 7/7 on my first bid.
I have yet to commute however because I'm still awaiting AC training.
I heard that at the end of a tour, if they are having to airline me to CMH, I can negotiate a ticket back to STL, paying any difference in ticket price.
Anyone care to share their experience with this?

 

[fly4funcrj]

I am a reserve guy who bid the 7/7 starting may. I live 362 miles away from my domicile which equates to 5-6 hours driving. Not what you want while on reserve. It did work out sometimes, it didn't others.. For example... a 4am show means go to bed at 9pm, wake up at 1030pm and start driving immediately. Traffic is great but you are toast on your first day. Luckily most of the captains I have flown with have had some sympathy for me and hate the domicile thing. Because of this they made sure I got some sleep the first night.. Thanx!
You can call the company and ask to switch domiciles after the fact..but.. the answer will be no unless you get a new person who doesn't know any better.. then more power to you!
As far as the company changing anything.. they are backed up in hiring so you can figure they are happy with what they have.. good luck to all