How does this instrument thing work?

[Alin10123]

Ok... so i was reading on the flight info sight and it says that i need 40 hours total instrument time (simulated or actual) and 15 hours of instruction. Here's the thing...
That leaves about 25 more hours under the hood.

I dont see the point of flying on a clear day VFR but just under the foggles.

So does that mean the 25 hours i need would be under an IFR flight plan on a VFR day? with me under the hood? with a safety pilot in the right seat? What does the safety pilot log the time as? Also does that count for dual received for me? Does he need to endorese my logbook?

The flightinfo page says a "pilot" has to be the right seat. It doesn't say anything about him being IFR rated.

thanks, this question has been on my mind for some time. Can someone clarify this for me?

http://www.flightinfo.com/instrument.htm

 

[wmuflyguy]

Ok... so i was reading on the flight info sight and it says that i need 40 hours total instrument time (simulated or actual) and 15 hours of instruction. Here's the thing...
That leaves about 25 more hours under the hood.

I dont see the point of flying on a clear day VFR but just under the foggles.

So does that mean the 25 hours i need

would be under an IFR flight plan on a VFR day? with me under the hood? with a safety pilot in the right seat? What does the safety pilot log the time as? Also does that count for dual received for me? Does he need to endorese my logbook?

The flightinfo page says a "pilot" has to be the right seat. It doesn't say anything about him being IFR rated.

thanks, this question has been on my mind for some time. Can someone clarify this for me?

http://www.flightinfo.com/instrument.htm

Correct, the other 25 can be done with you under a hood with another pilot looking for traffic ("safety Pilot"). This pilot does not need to be IFR rated, but it will help you more if they are.

You do not need to be under and IFR flight plan. Actually that would be illegal, unless the other pilot in the airplane was IFR rated and he was the official PIC of the aircraft.

Safety Pilot can log the time as PIC. No it is not Dual recieved unless it is a CFI, or in your case it has to be a CFII (Instrument Instructor) in order for the DUAL to be counted towards an instrument rating.

In Reality it will take more than 15 hours of DUAL(reminder that is only a minimum) to get your instrument rating. There is just a lot of information to cover and it is a fairly technical rating. It will make you a more precise pilot and it is fun rating to do.

 

[Alin10123]

Correct, the other 25 can be done with you under a hood with another pilot looking for traffic ("safety Pilot"). This pilot does not need to be IFR rated, but it will help you more if they are.

You do not need to be under and IFR flight plan. Actually that would be illegal, unless the other pilot in the airplane was IFR rated and he was the official PIC of the aircraft.

Safety Pilot can log the time as PIC. No it is not Dual recieved unless it is a CFI, or in your case it has to be a CFII (Instrument Instructor) in order for the DUAL to be counted towards an instrument rating.

In Reality it will take more than 15 hours of DUAL(reminder that is only a minimum) to get your instrument rating. There is just a lot of information to cover and it is a fairly technical rating. It will make you a more precise pilot and it is fun rating to do.

Yea, i've got like 8 hours left out of the 40 of actual instrument instruction time. So basically... these next 8 hours can be under the hood witha safety pilot and that would count as simulated instrument? So i log it as simulated instrument and total time. But not pic?

 

[wmuflyguy]

Yea, i've got like 8 hours left out of the 40 of actual instrument instruction time. So basically... these next 8 hours can be under the hood witha safety pilot and that would count as simulated instrument? So i log it as simulated instrument and total time. But not pic?

It is still PIC, you are the sole manipulator of the controls and appropriately rated for the aircraft.

The rest of your assumption is correct, as long as you got the required 15 DUAL, the next 25 can be all hood time with a safety pilot. That is just simulated instument time (along with it being PIC time). Just record the Safety pilots name in your logbook for the flight.

 

[Guitar rocker]

You can fly with a safety pilot all day long in clear and a million for those other 25 hours, but tellya what, it might be a good idea to pay an instructor and go out and do some actual if yah havent done any or much of that at all. It's well worth it.

I knew this one chk that was persistent in flying with a safety pilot insetad of an instructor after she had 15 hours worth of CFII time........what she really needed was more time with an instructor.........she was just wasting her $$$ doing it the easy way, or so she thought. Sometimes taking the cheap route eventually can turn into the more expensive route.

 

[Mr Wu]

You can fly with a safety pilot all day long in clear and a million for those other 25 hours, but tellya what, it might be a good idea to pay an instructor and go out and do some actual if yah havent done any or much of that at all. It's well worth it.

I knew this one chk that was persistent in flying with a safety pilot insetad of an instructor after she had 15 hours worth of CFII time........what she really needed was more time with an instructor.........she was just wasting her $$$ doing it the easy way, or so she thought. Sometimes taking the cheap route eventually can turn into the more expensive route.

And did the safety pilot sign her off for her checkride?

 

[timeoff]

I'll add that under part 61, you can do 20 of those hours in a sim or FTD. Those 20 hours do count towards your 250 hour requirement for the commercial if you should go that route.

 

[Alin10123]

I'll add that under part 61, you can do 20 of those hours in a sim or FTD. Those 20 hours do count towards your 250 hour requirement for the commercial if you should go that route.

Yea. the commercial route is where i'm going.
I didn't say that i was actually going to go the cheap route. I was just wondering since the rules didn't seem all that clear.

 

[wmuflyguy]

15 hours is the Min required by FAR's for the instrument rating. In reality most people need a considerable amount more than that.

In reality it is not up to the student either, It is up to the guy signing you off for the checkride.

 

[Cardinal]

I dont see the point of flying on a clear day VFR but just under the foggles.

It will rapidly become clear on your first flight into solid IMC by yourself.