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AA717driver

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This just in from ARINC:

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"As many of you are aware, Honeywell's Global Data Center business is
shrinking because of the ongoing migration of Customers to ARINC Direct.
In an attempt to reverse this trend, Honeywell has chosen to deliver its
new Primus Epic system with two modifications that are not included in the
commercial aviation version. Specifically:


- if the aircraft personality module is utilized to change the
Agency Code to anything other than "GS", the code utilized by
Honeywell's GDC, it disables the VHF and Satellite
communication systems.


- the ability to tune your aircraft to ARINC frequencies has
been disabled, forcing all communications over SITA.


Both of these tactics are contrary to the accepted AEEC industry standards
(specifications 618 and 758) for such avionics, and you the Customer will
no longer have a choice of datalink Service Provider, you will be forced to
use Honeywell GDC or forego the services altogether.


This issue affects all new Epic cockpits including the Gulfstream Planeview
avionics in the G450 and G550 aircraft and the new Dassault Falcon Jet EASy
cockpit in the 2000EX, 7X and the 900EX.


Honeywell can make changes to its personality module that will allow use of
the ARINC "XA" agency and provide you with a choice of service provider.
It has offered to license these changes to ARINC for an up front payment of
$500,000 per airframe platform PLUS an annual cost of $6,750.00 per
aircraft. These terms are not commercially reasonable nor a viable option
for ARINC.


ARINC has no leverage to change Honeywell's tactics, but you, the Customer,
do. If you tell your Honeywell hardware representative and your airframe
manufacturer that the lack of choice this will impact your future buying
decisions, it may be enough pressure on Honeywell to make it abandon the
strong-arm tactics.


Please write and call often. The greater the pressure, the greater the
probability of achieving the desired outcome - your preservation of choice."

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This is troubling. I was a little put off with Gulfstream's sweetheart deal with FSI to corner the market on G550/500/450 training. But FORCING us to use their flight planning services (Why? Does Honeywell have no confidence in their product?) simply because we chose a certain type of aircraft is nothing more than a shakedown.

Future G550/500/450 and DFJ 900/2000/7X EASY customers beware! TC
 
When did Microsoft get in bed with Honeywell?????

Does Epic run off of Windows XP by chance?
 
I saw that over on NBAA this morning and was shocked. It will be interesting to follow the thread and see if this is valid or sour grapes on AIRINC's part.

2000Flyer
 
2000flyer said:
I saw that over on NBAA this morning and was shocked. It will be interesting to follow the thread and see if this is valid or sour grapes on AIRINC's part.

2000Flyer

I don't believe it is sour grapes. When ARINC started offering their direct flight planning service about 2 years ago (maybe 3, don't remember exactly), Honeywell tried to stop them by saying they were stealing their database stuff. It was all worked out by the legal folks and Arinc continued as planned. Honeywell offers a very inferior product, especially their text weather and weather non-graphics.
I have, in the past, been an unlimited subscriber to planning/weather services offered by Honeywell, Jeppesen, Air Routing, WSI and Universal. Universal's service comes close to Arinc, but the rest are not even in the same league. Arinc has been picking up customers at an unbelievable pace. Many operators are only waiting for their yearly contracts with the other providers to expire so they can switch to Arinc.
I could go on a long time but anyone interested can call Arinc and they will give you a full-working demo password that allows you to see and use all of their services except flight plan filing and active messaging.
 
We use ARINC for our IV and were going to be switching for the 550's. This explains why we're not switching. The new GDC web-based plan is ok but not as good as ARINC.TC
 
Can someone provide a link to the Airinc flight planning site? Like to see what the offer compared to Honeywell GDC.

Thanks
 
Thanks, Suen, I hadn't heard that.

AA, do you like the new GDC web-based flight planning? There are a few things I like, but mostly I'm very disappointed.

For one, I liked the old flight planning (which is still available, thankfully) that gave you three speed/altitude options. I can only do that on the new one by going back and essentially running six flight plans...very much a pain in the ***. Considering our plan only allows so many flight plans a month before extra charges kick in, this is not a realistic option.

I've also had problems with the new systems giving me routes. Several times I have to get in touch with GDC to get them to correct the problem. Also, when I try to enter my own route, it has yet to accept it. Again, spent a lot of time on the phone and still having the same troubles.

2000Flyer
 
2000--It's ok but I agree the old method is preferable. I guess I could say I see no advantage to using the new site. No excuse for this poor design coming out with the level of technology available out there.

I think maybe they should ask someone involved in aviation to help out when they redesign their system.TC
 
AA717driver said:
2000--It's ok but I agree the old method is preferable. I guess I could say I see no advantage to using the new site. No excuse for this poor design coming out with the level of technology available out there.

I think maybe they should ask someone involved in aviation to help out when they redesign their system.TC

Amen brother!
 
I have yet to find anyone who loves the Honeywell site. I use it for domestic flight planning only. If I want to go overseas I pay out to Universal and have them uplink.

The new web site is still crap, IMHO. If someone can show me how to do ETP without inputing the data myself, please enlighten me. For $20 a fllight plan (web based) I will stick to Universal, thank-you.
 

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