Hmmmmm

[Smoke]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-horizon0207nov02,0,6228228.story

 

[NJANJIFLEXFLOP]

HMMMMMMMMM! Too

http://www.nrtwc.org/states/fl.htm

Read the first sentence in the first paragraph.

 

[Some guy]

So what exactly does this mean? NJ would consider moving 1500 based employees to a location where the cost of living is twice as much as CMH?

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[batsky2000]

So what exactly does this mean? NJ would consider moving 1500 based employees to a location where the cost of living is twice as much as CMH?​

Central FL is not any more expensive than CMH, plus FL is one of only 4 states that has no state income tax, so more money in your pocket, I use to live in NY, and tax there is very high, but my main motivator for not leaving FL is that I pay no state income tax. I prefer to live somewhere else other than FL, but I got so use to no state income tax that it kept me here

 

[Guitar Guy]

I prefer to live somewhere else other than FL, but I got so use to no state income tax that it kept me here

So move to one of the other three states without the state income tax.

 

[notaNJApilot]

ha, this is a new rumor (to me at least). although, i did read a message about looking to add buildings inside and outside of the columbus area.
i think building a new facility next to bridgeway to house the people at easton and maybe some extra FSI sims is more of a possibility than moving it all to florida.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Could be part of the IBB vote plan? If it passes and RTS decides to move the companieS to FL integration of NJI/NJA will sound better, on some level. The VP at NJI promissed the worker bees their jobs would not go to CMH if the companies were recognized as one. The same was said to CMH. Now NJ can offer everyone a chance to move to Orlando and be one big happy family. Plenty will not move, so jobs will be created in FL and redundancy eliminated. Jersey staff will stay put. That is, if there is any truth to this article.

 

[RP170]

Central FL is not any more expensive than CMH

Definitely not true. Our new home just south of MCO is 320K base for 2100 sq ft. 350K with upgrades. What does a new 2100 sq ft home run in Columbus? I know it's well under 300K.

 

[jaybird]

location, location, location

Definitely not true. Our new home just south of MCO is 320K base for 2100 sq ft. 350K with upgrades. What does a new 2100 sq ft home run in Columbus? I know it's well under 300K.

if your house is in upper arlington, bexley, or new albany, it would easily be just as much or more.
the same as if your house was in winter park it would probably be more.

 

[RP170]

if your house is in upper arlington, bexley, or new albany, it would easily be just as much or more.
the same as if your house was in winter park it would probably be more.

In general, MCO is much more expensive than CMH. In terms of median home price it's 265K in MCO compared to 153K in CMH. Source is here:

http://www.realtor.org/Research.nsf/files/MSAPRICESF.pdf/$FILE/MSAPRICESF.pdf

 

[batsky2000]

In general, MCO is much more expensive than CMH. In terms of median home price it's 265K in MCO compared to 153K in CMH. Source is here:

http://www.realtor.org/Research.nsf/files/MSAPRICESF.pdf/$FILE/MSAPRICESF.pdf

Who ever said you have to live dab smack in orlando? There are many cheaper and less crowded areas close enough to commute from such as Debarry, Deland, Sanford, even Daytona and Melborne, so there are many close by communites that are not as crowded and are cheaper, I don't live in Orlando and would not want to, way to crowded and the traffic is horrible, especially I-4, but again, how much do people pay in state income tax in Ohio, comparied to no state income tax in FL

 

[gutshotdraw]

Could be part of the IBB vote plan? If it passes and RTS decides to move the companieS to FL integration of NJI/NJA will sound better, on some level. The VP at NJI promissed the worker bees their jobs would not go to CMH if the companies were recognized as one. The same was said to CMH. Now NJ can offer everyone a chance to move to Orlando and be one big happy family. Plenty will not move, so jobs will be created in FL and redundancy eliminated. Jersey staff will stay put. That is, if there is any truth to this article.

"When we opened and expanded Netjets International Operations in Okatie SC, we did it for several reasons, primary of which was the need to focus more clearly on international operations and the Gulfstream owners. It remains my intention to keep Netjets International Operations in Okatie for several reasons:

Proximity to Netjets International's primary business partner, Gulfstream.

Proximity to Netjets International's primary training facility, Flight Safety International.

Netjets International has developed an expertise in international operations that is the best in the world. That expertise could be diluted should Okatie operations merge back into Columbus operations.

NJI has an international mission which is clearly different than the NJA mission. The model for NJI has been structured and organized to support that mission.

Netjets International has faced and met many challenges since we opened operations in Okatie SC. The continuing improvements in efficiencies are to be commended. I appreciate the hard work, talent, and efforts that all NJI employees have put into the success of this model and I do not plan on doing anything to interfere with the structure or future success."

RTS
10/31/07

Regardless of the single-carrier outcome, I doubt operations will merge (thank your favorite deity). I also doubt there will be a move to Florida since the CMH ops center seems to depend on a steady stream of wide-eyed, eager-beaver Aviation Management graduates fresh from THE Ohio State University.

 

[old*art]

Clearly gutshot you were never in the military. The only things certain are death, taxes, and the sun coming up tomorrow - and the gorebal warmers question even that. I have experienced first hand this man's duplicity, without even getting into changing business needs.

 

[Some guy]

South Carolina is also a "right to work state" just as Florida.

I would like to say that NJ wouldn't move, but that's wishful thinking. How many companies now have their factories in Mexico?


When I started 7 years ago, they talked in indoc about how NJ just got a 10 year tax break from Columbus and Ohio. Now that that 10 years is coming up, coud this be a ploy to get an extension?



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[x402]

When I started 7 years ago, they talked in indoc about how NJ just got a 10 year tax break from Columbus and Ohio. Now that that 10 years is coming up, coud this be a ploy to get an extension?

There is a large expansion coming and NJA/FSI needs to increase the size of the 'campus' soon. But you are right in thinking this is a negotiation tactic.

 

[560NJA]

another food for thought, last week, thursday i believe, WB, RTS and Bill Gates were all wondering around the casino in CMH touring the place. Any guesses?

 

[NJACrewservicer]

There were several CEO/President types here last week...including WB. The story I here is that all the RTS types from all the WB companies are visiting each other's operations to try to learn from each other....or so the story goes.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Central FL is not any more expensive than CMH, plus FL is one of only 4 states that has no state income tax, so more money in your pocket, I use to live in NY, and tax there is very high, but my main motivator for not leaving FL is that I pay no state income tax. I prefer to live somewhere else other than FL, but I got so use to no state income tax that it kept me here

HAHAHAHAHA...YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THAT...THE GOVERNMENT GETS THEIR MONEY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.


Let me guess, you don't pay corporate taxes either?

 

[RP170]

HAHAHAHAHA...YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THAT...THE GOVERNMENT GETS THEIR MONEY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.


Let me guess, you don't pay corporate taxes either?

Down in FL they get it from high property taxes and toll roads. You have to get on the tolls to get anywhere in a decent amount of time.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Clearly gutshot you were never in the military. The only things certain are death, taxes, and the sun coming up tomorrow - and the gorebal warmers question even that. I have experienced first hand this man's duplicity, without even getting into changing business needs.

Notice I said "doubt," not "for sure."

 

[notaNJApilot]

another food for thought, last week, thursday i believe, WB, RTS and Bill Gates were all wondering around the casino in CMH touring the place. Any guesses?

I heard there was a Berkshire board meeting.

 

[Correcting]

I'm inclined to think it's a negotiating ploy as well. Back about 10 years ago, Netjets was facing the same scenario. They were looking to expand their facility, so in addition to CMH, they were talking to Las Vegas and Salt Lake City as well. Obviously, CMH won. This could be similar to that.

Yes, we need a bigger facility in CMH because the current one can't accommodate all the necessary support staff. So what is NJA going to do? Move everyone? Nope. Open another support facility in another city and have two sets of support staff doing the same thing in two different places? Nope. The most logical answer is to expand the facility in CMH?

Another reason for Netjets expansion research could be that we are looking to build another hangar of our own (like in HPN) in an area of the country that most of our planes visit or fly over with great regularity, in order to do maintenance/servicing on our aircraft. Orlando, Raleigh, and Dallas all fit the bill. It wouldn't surprise me to see the same sort of thing somewhere in the SoCal area (VNY? PHX? LAS?).

 

[NJAowner]

Ihave no independent knowledge but justa few toughts.

1. To get CMH to ante up for more breaks you need to have serious discussions with another town. It is like moving an NFL franchise. It needs to go further than just a visit.

2. As they say, CMH is within 1 1/2 hours of the vast majority of NJA flights and owners; it is centrally located.

3. In today's world of terrorism, power outages, hurricanes, etc., it is very advisable to have 2 operations centers.

4. As pilots seem to like to live within 2 hours of their base. Within 2 hours of Orlando gets a lot of arrodable homes.

Fly safe. Just my thoughts.

 

[gunfyter]

You know, on further reflection, I don't think its a ploy to get tax breaks. That would be another TaxCut for the Rich. WB has said he does not like those.

 

[Some guy]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-netjets0607nov06,0,6101753.story

Does it appear the wording has changed a little? Now they are saying expansion? I noticed they mentioned tax breaks as well.

 

[Some guy]

From the cOlumbus Dispatch on 11-03

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/liv...fla.ART_ART_11-03-07_C16_EA8BTBA.html?sid=101

 

[popgoesbubble]

Ihave no independent knowledge but justa few toughts.

1. To get CMH to ante up for more breaks you need to have serious discussions with another town. It is like moving an NFL franchise. It needs to go further than just a visit.

2. As they say, CMH is within 1 1/2 hours of the vast majority of NJA flights and owners; it is centrally located.

3. In today's world of terrorism, power outages, hurricanes, etc., it is very advisable to have 2 operations centers.

4. As pilots seem to like to live within 2 hours of their base. Within 2 hours of Orlando gets a lot of arrodable homes.

Fly safe. Just my thoughts.

Don't forget that NJA hires alot of people from OSU and these are People that have Never left the state of Ohio! it's really scary talking to some of our employees (not Pilots) the other departments. Could you imagine what would happen if this were true we would have mass desertion among the troops in Bridgway and Easton.

 

[Smoke]

Did anyone catch that 2000 on the ramp last week. It was registered to an Orlando Development company.....

 

[Flynetjets]

I have “heard” the following:

The company is having a hard time attracting “quality” people to work at Netjets and move to Columbus.

The company cannot build anything larger than I think a two story building across from Bridgeway because of the radar site. In fact, the reason that the east side of the building is curved is to reduce the building’s signature.

The company needs a lot more room to expand and build a “campus”, and from what I have “heard” they do not want to get into a situation where find themselves landlocked in the next couple of years.

From what I have heard, the tax abatements end next year, and when approached by the company to build additional facilities, the county and state told us more tax breaks for you.

From what I have “heard” the company wants to get rid of the Easton complex and move it to a centralized “campus”.

Also, the company (also included in this is our new Director of Training) wants to build a training facility, with classrooms, simulators, pool (for open water survival training, and emergency evac training), basically build something like the majors have. In addition the “campus” would include the financial buildings, T&E, Chief Pilots, etc.

Really if you think about it, we really do not have a centralized headquarters, which can be good and bad.

Regarding the hurricane situation in Florida, well, let’s not forget in the last 3 months, the Bridgeway facility was evacuated twice for tornados. I think anywhere we go there are local environmental factors.

 

[Usual Suspect]

From what I have heard, the tax abatements end next year, and when approached by the company to build additional facilities, the county and state told us more tax breaks for you.

Do you mean "no more tax breaks for you" (like the soup nazi?)