Hired at Comair with 50 Multi!

[BaronFR8Dog]

Not me, but a freight pilot I worked with who was flying a Caravan. Hired by Comair, get this now... pending reaching 200 multi. This pilot was given this job offer in writing.

When SHE and her 36C's finally reached 200 multi SHE was given a class date and started the next month.

Meanwhile lots of great guys out there with 1500 Multi, 4000-5000 total and decent turbine time can't get a "drop dead" out of Comair.

Now, the PC Nazis can and will jump all over me. I want everyone to get a fair shot but this trend of hiring women simply for walking through the door, regardless of how they stack up to others as pilots is out of hand.

Hire the best qualified, regardless.

Fly Safe

 

[NDPILOT]

I guess you haven't heard the phrase "life isn't always fair" I say good for her, she and her 36C's caught a break. You can always have a sex change if you want.

 

[English]

Somebody sounds jealous...

 

[English]

Some more gems from BaronFR8Dog....


From the thread "Scenic Airlines"

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=189308#post189308

BS!
Sceneic turns down guys with 4000 hours and plenty of multi-turbine to hire chicks with 1300 hours of piston. Nothing personal, it's just BS. Merit means nothing anymore.


From the thread "Dallas Area"

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=180030#post180030

Wendi,

You don't need flight school! You are female so just walk into any airline and they'll hire you on the spot!



Maybe, just maybe, your sexism is coming across when you interview. Could that be why you are being passed over?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Anyone know what happened to the women's scholarship program Delta awarded back in 2001? Those ladies were supported to get a four year degree, flight training and a job! All in all, it was about a six year deal with a Delta slot at the end.

What I found interesting about this is that Delta "hired" employees for ASA and Comair at the same time they keep alleging that we are separate companies with no operational integration.

I'm not sure if this is it, but look at the airlines represented. Talk about a winning lottery ticket. I'm surprised there is not more interest from more ladies, because this is one sweet deal.
http://www.wai.org/education/scholarships.cfm

The Supreme Court appears to be slowly reigning in programs that provide benefits to certain applicants on the basis of race and sex.

I agree, it is difficult to call a program "fair" when certain applicants are excluded right off the bat.

 

[English]

Men are allowed and encouraged to apply for most of these scholarships. There is no gender prerequisite for most. The only requirement is that one must be a member of Women In Aviation. Men can be members, so if you are really feeling heartburn about this, become a member and apply for a scholarship. if you don't get the scholarship and feel you should have, then start complaining.

 

[low-key]

36C's ? got a pic? phone number?

 

[crj579]

Yep that is why I am trying to get my 15-year-old daughter involved in aviation. Her father cant seem to get past Mesa. Maybe she can support us when she walks into the majors with 200hrs. IMHO, It defies logic to not hire the best candidate, ie. experience for the job. The only reason to hire women with 50multi is to look politically correct and to prevent lawsuits. They certainly arent getting a discount on insurance.
As I have posted before, women and minorities compete against eachother. Their resumes go into different piles than the white/male. I am sure this post will get deleted though. There seems to be no freedom of speech when it comes to affirmative action programs.

 

[efiscompmon]

...or marry one like I did.

Her biggest "advantage" was having an airline pilot as her mentor, not her t!ts. That and she can fly the heck out of a plane--better than yours truly.

Over the years I have seen a number of "affirmative action" demographic pilots hired in various places. Those who could fly, did. Those who couldn't, washed. X didn't wash out because he was Nigerian--he washed because he couldn't fly a multi-pilot airplane IFR with airline procedures. Y didn't wash out because she was a split-tail, she couldn't land a CRJ for 60 hours of IOE.

Myself, (a white, upper-middle class college educated "average" pilot) I never got a job without the "walk-in" of a friend or a friend's friend. Is that "fair"?

 

[crj579]

I think a walk-in is fine if you have competitive hours. All it does is give you a little edge. If you have the hours, plenty of PIC to show it, then that is fine. However, walking into a job with very little prior experience only to not be able to upgrade, wash-out , etc. means that the airline is NOT picking the BEST possible candidate for the job.

 

[Pez D. Spencer]

split-tail

LMAO --- it's true, you really do learn something new every day.

 

[rumorhasit]

Hell...o I wish i had 36c's I would never leave the house!!! Females have it made in this industry. Granted most are very good pilots but companys want to be pc...period!!! the apps read equal opprotunity...yea right....

 

[wmudriver]

With the way this winter is going...

I'll have some A cups by the spring

 

[TWA Dude]

I love theads like this, with people getting all bent outta shape over airline hiring practices. The cold, hard truth is that airlines can hire whomever they wish for whatever reason they wish (within gov't guidelines, of course). There's simply no requirement for them to hire the "most-qualified" pilots however they might define that. And there's no such thing as an "unfair" advantage. This is the world of business. We pilots like to think we're special because we do something so cool for a living but airline management obviously doesn't think we're special.

I know people here are just venting frustration. Anyone who's been in this industry for any length of time has seen an utter lack of logic (or competence) in the hiring decisions of many airlines. I'm sure we've all had thoughts about how we'd handle hiring if we were in charge. Of course the next guy will have completely different ideas. C'est la vie.

Dude

 

[chuychanga]

Okay, I'll play the devil's advocate...

You guys are always talking about how it's not experience that matters, it's personality and whether or not you can share the cockpit with this FO on a 4 day trip. Well, I know who I'd rather share it with.

 

[Standby 1]

It seems to be human nature to want to blame our airline rejections on something or someone other than ourselves in order to make ourselves feel better. I know...I've done it myself, to my embarassment.

For those of you who are convinced all women have it so great - all I can say is I wish it were true for me. As a female with 1200/100, I can't get any farther than anyone else regardless of gender. Like you all, I've sent out dozens and donzens of resumes. One airline finally took the bait and interviewed me, but like 50% of the others interviewing that day I did not get offered a class. So what? That's the game we all play. This very same airline put a male applicant with 500/50 in that same class. Go figure.

More perspective....
There are a handful of corporate outfits on the field who hire the higher-time local CFIs (of which I am one) to yank the gear/talk on the radio in the right seat of their Beechjets, etc. When I went over to talk to the guys in these corporate flt depts I was flat-out told that to put a female in the right seat would upset the "cockpit environment." So the guys get to build a time doing this on the side, but no dice for me. And to tell the truth, I understand their point of view....in a small, good ol' boys network, it WOULD upset the apple cart to have the capt's who couldn't keep it zipped drooling over some chick in the other seat. Whoever said life was fair?

I guess my point is that it is real easy to blame our personal situations (or lack thereof) on people who are different (ie, different gender, different race). There will always be those pilots out there who have things come easy for them...maybe their folks/spouse paid for all their ratings at some Pilot Farm, or maybe they've been handed every job they've ever interviewed for. That's the reality of aviation. For the rest of us out there who have to work twice as hard to get half as far, all we can do is to stay the course and have faith that it WILL pay off someday, as long as we keep trying. Blaming our situations on others accomplishes nothing, other than making us bitter with terrible attitudes, making us oh-so-much-fun to share a cockpit with.

Best of luck to all of you...stay the course.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Not meant to start a flame war...but we live in a man's world. I wouldn't trade being a male in this profession to be a female in it, and I doubt any of you would. I see only a handful of women at my airline, and any woman who attempts a career in this industry has far greater battles to fight than I ever did to get here.

I once asked a Capt. who said he liked to fly with guys more than women. I asked him why, and he simply stated that if he has to fart, he has to wait until he's on the ground if he has a female F/O.

I laughed at that one.

 

[Intruder One]

I'm sorry I just do not like to fly with women pilots.Most of them fly OK it just seems odd.Do most men completely trust the wife or girlfriend when shes driving a car........you know what I mean.

Let the flames begin..............

 

[Astra Guy]

I have flown with several great female pilots. I have also flown with several poor female pilots. I don't think it has anything to do with gender. It has everything to do about aptitude, ability, desire and emotional stability.

Neither split-tails nor hard-tails have a monopoly on flying sense.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

I personally know a gal with ATP/3000TT/1200+ mulit/and a bunch of turbine... She has a college degree, is attractive, is a HELL of a good pilot, and is dating a buddy of mine who is furloughed delta and used to be a Check Airman @ Comair... You would think she'd have no problem..........

Rejected from Comair......


I swear this is true, so I guess there goes your little theory about Comair.... I think they are going for purely folks with 121 experience... I know another guy who never paid ANY non 121 dues, got hired @ eagle with LOW time and no college degree years ago... He got scooped up by comair several months ago... All of his time was SIC.... Go figure.....