High Perf. Endorsement - Worth it or wait?

[minitour]

Doing my CSEL stuff right now and then to move on to the CMEL. Both are under 200HP (172RG and a Duchess). Is it important for me to get the high performance endorsement now or should I just wait until I want to fly a high perfomance airplane?

Is this something that would be covered on a type ride if I were to get a job somewhere or is this something that would be a requirement for a type ride if I were to get a job somewhere?

A curious mind wants to know.

Thanks!

-mini

 

[Vik]

I don't think you need it right now. I know of plenty of people that got hired at commuters without it.

When you have more hours, it maybe something to consider, but if two equal applicants are at an interview, it won't be the deciding factor.

 

[Whirlwind]

I wouldn't sweat it...

At some point, you're bound to be checked out in something with more than 200hp, perhaps when you're instructing, perhaps when getting your first SIC endorsement. Whomever that is can give you the endorsement then...

 

[nosehair]

I'm half way through my instrument and I plan on getting my high/complex soon because I want to be able to rent high/complex aircraft.

Good luck on finding high/complex aircraft for rent. Do you know of any?

 

[Vik]

I think he just means complex. There are plenty of non-high perf a/c that can do 160kts. Although, he might have a money tree in the backyard and can afford to rent a King Air but with 80hrs .. heh sheesh.

 

[minitour]

thanks all...kinda had a feeling it wasn't worth it

Thanks for the help
-mini

 

[Whirlwind]

Good luck on finding high/complex aircraft for rent. Do you know of any?

I've got almost 40 hours of time in a Turbo 210 that my old flight school had for rent for $170/hr.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

Gramps could put you on an airline 5 or 6 times for what it would cost to rent a plane once.Most insurance companies require alteast 5 and as many as 25 hours or more in type before you will be able to rent a high pref. acft. A 172RG will go as fast a some fixed gear high pref. acft. though. A 201hp engine doesn't do much more for you if you still have your legs haning out, ie. Cessna 182 fixed gear.

 

[BeachBum]

Getting the endorsement is a non-event, so if that's all you want it shouldn't take more than an hour or two. I did all of my private training in a "high performance" aircraft, and frankly i can't tell you the difference between flying something in that category and flying a standard trainer. A little faster and maybe some cowl flaps or somehting to deal with, but the houses still get smaller when you pull back and bigger if you push forward. I'm still not sure why the FAA even required this endorsement.

 

[Mtnjam]

No biggie

Some people make a big deal of the endorsement. When I wanted mine I checked out a local flight school. They wanted to make it a 10hr. Checkout and ordeal, glad I got wiser because it's no biggie and they just wanted my $$. When I did get it my checkout was .9 You'll find somebody nice enough to do it for you for little or no cost at all. My theory about low time pilot's renting High Performance equipment is to not do it!!! It's like all these doctor's and lawyer's buying these aircraft like SR-22's, Saratoga's, and The good ol' V-tail Bonanza's. You see where JFK Jr. is. Macho attitude,Marginal VFR at night, High Performance A/C.

 

[Vik]

Having logged HP time won't help get you to the airlines any faster. Single engine time is single engine time .. and multi is multi when it comes to piston aircraft.

So unless you CAN get a steal on a HP aircraft, its probably not worth it. E.g. for $170/hr, I'd rent a twin instead of a 210 if I were going to the airlines.

 

[sqwkvfr]

There are upsides....

I got it so I could rent the 182S or 182T that are available at my home airport.

At the time I did it, the 182S rented for $110 an hour while the 172SPs (which oftentimes were all rented out while this thing went unused) went for $100. On a trip that was an hour or longer in length, the 182S was actually more economical to rent because of the increased speed.

They caught on to that--after I opened by big mouth and made that point to the wrong person --and increased the rate to $130.

Also, when I've got two or three friends that want to take a run to the Grand Canyon, Sedona or Vegas and weight becomes an issue, the 182s are the only way to go.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Good luck on finding high/complex aircraft for rent. Do you know of any?

2004 Saratoga with the Avadyne(sp?) panel. Located at 8S5 Near CHS. Do not know the rates or pilot requirements, but they just took delivery of it last week. Coastal Aviation is the company name. Passed through there a few days ago, it is one of the nicest airplanes I have ever seen for rent. Full leather and the works. They also have several 2001 + model 172 SP's.

 

[flyifrvfr]

If you wait until you finish your commercial rating because you will get 10 hours of complex time. After you get the commercial, get checked out in a 182 which should only take one hour and you will than get your high performance endorsement. If you do it this way, you will save money.

 

[Flyin Tony]

I got almost 200 hours in the comanche and the high/complex was nothing in it, and only took about an hour for the sign off. I had to do 10 hours dual for the insurance. I dont find the plane hard to fly, hard to land, i think its easier then the 182. I dont go off in the clouds or if the weather dosent look good without a CFII. But everyday I fly that thing i learn something new

 

[No Delay]

don't waste your money on it. it will come soon enough. to just go get a high perform endorsement will cost you several hundred dollars and it isn't worth to cost of the ink it is written in.


the only thing it would be good for is for bragging to the c-150 student pilots. then soon you will realize how stupid you sound and forget you even have it.

 

[No Delay]

flyin Toni....what a picture )