HEY FEDS!! - Make 1200 Multi mins for Regionals!!

[jetbluedog]

1200 HOURS PIC should be the industry Min. and Federal Regulated Min. for all new hire FO's at the regionals.

Makes me sick to read about 100 hour, pee-ons taking jobs in shiny jets they have no right to be in.

FAR 121.999 should read, "All regional airline applicants should have logged a minimum of 1200 hours PIC in multi-engine aircraft prior to hire date. 35% of the 1200 required hours must be logged in Night/IMC/Single Pilot operations in multi-engine aircraft not newer than model year 1978."

AMEN, BROTHER!!

 

[Whirlwind]

Your FO forget to bring you your coffee this morning?

 

[Captain X]

Yeah....talk about flame bait.

I wouldn't worry about low hiring minimums unless planes start crashing left and right.

Even then, I've seen some high-time wonders do things in airplanes that would qualify for the Darwin Awards. And the best FO I've ever flown with was a 500 hour Embry-Riddle guy....oh yeah, he just got a Guard slot flying Vipers.

But I guess you're God's Gift to Aviation so you know better.

 

[SlamClicker]

Your FO forget to bring you your coffee this morning?

No, his FO brought the coffee but jetbluedog said it tasted like someone peed in it?!

 

[Alchemy]

So you're saying if you had been offered a 121 job at 600 hours total time with a good company, you wouldn't have taken it?

 

[paulsalem]

Just a thought.

What is safer? Flying in the right seat of a "shiny jet" gaining experience with a more "seasoned" pilot (with all of 2 or 3000 hours) or flying night IFR in a baron in Icing and thunderstorms?

I'd rather fly for a regional to gain experience with someone who allready has some, than learn as I go flying night cargo.

Secondly, I've talked to guys with 30,000+ hours who fly BBJs on a regular basis to all regions of the world (we're talking 3rd world, better watch what you eat, and where you go countries) and they say that they are still learning. So the guy in a left seat of a E145 with a whopping 3,000 (low time in the grand scheme of things) really isn't an all knowing oracle of aviation.

Thirdly, I'm sure any airline, and their insureres would rather hire people with 1200 multi night actual PIC. Perhaps, just a thought there, that maybe, there are not enough of those pilots out there.

If COEX or CHQ were swamped with pilots with 1200 hours of multi time I'm sure they would hire them over a guy with 100 hours of multi.

But what do I know, I dont' have a whopping 6500 hours like you JetBlue

 

[English]

What should be the minimums to fly a WSCofD?

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Thirdly, I'm sure any airline, and their insureres would rather hire people with 1200 multi night actual PIC. Perhaps, just a thought there, that maybe, there are not enough of those pilots out there.

It's not that they aren't out there. It's just hard to justify minimum wage with that experience.

 

[HanSolo]

This just wears me out! I love to sit and listen b1tch about all the other poeple who get a break and have a chance to improve. If you want my job, jetbluedog, take it. I made more as a schoolteacher, before I started flying. That is one of the lowest paying professional jobs there are. I fly because I love it and it is a$$holes like you that ruin the job for everyone. So far I have seen of and heard about more fu(k ups of hight time captains than low time FO's.

I promise that those FO's are not trying to piss you off on purpose. I will bet that even an experienced FO with thousands of hours would have a hard time doing there job with you sitting beside them.

Leave them alone, help them, or you start doing the hiring for your company and see if you can get someone who cares for $20,000 a year!

I am very surprised that someone with your personality (a little bit p1ssy) got passed hr at jetblue.

Excuse me everyone, Have a great year and good luck to all!

 

[RIP]

jetbluedog,

Do you ever post anything that isn't completely asinine?

 

[maddog805]

So far I have seen of and heard about more fu(k ups of hight time captains than low time FO's.

When the FO f#cks up, I catch it 99% of the time before it becomes a real problem hence, you won't hear about it. If I don't catch it, it becomes my f#ck up and you'll probably hear about it...

 

[jumppilot]

jetbluedog,

Do you ever post anything that isn't completely asinine?

He does seem to care an awful lot about issues which don't affect him.

 

[minitour]

When the FO f#cks up, I catch it 99% of the time before it becomes a real problem hence, you won't hear about it. If I don't catch it, it becomes my f#ck up and you'll probably hear about it...

Hey, you're the PIC. Since your FO is so unqualified, I just know you don't want him catching any of your f*ck-ups.

Get over it people. They all have to go through the same training and pass the same checkride, m'kay? M'kay!

-mini

 

[N813CA]

maddog805 vbmenu_register("postmenu_498688", true);

I caught a lot of errors made by my captains when I had a 1,000 hours and I still did with 5,000 hours. Now I have more, and I am still correcting you guys. They were all greatful. What would your response be? Or are you too great of a pilot to make a mistake?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Personal opinion ahead.....WATCH OUT!!!!


I think that when you see someone make a post like this it is more to do with the poor salaries than flying ability.

Pilots are like anything else, Some are great at 500 hours, and some are horrible at 5000 hours.

The plus side to requiring 1200 Multi prior to 121 employment would be the reduction of pilots out there willing to be gone from home for 25 days a month for a measly 20K a year. Because lets face it folks, the biggest problem we have in our profession today is the glut of guys willing to fly 20 million dollar airplanes for welfare wages. As all who have been there know, and all who are up and coming will find out, a Jet is just another airplane. I would give up flying a jet and drone around in a light piston twin for the rest of my career if it paid 100k a year. In the end it is not what you are flying, it is your quality of life, and time with your family that is important. Something that you get neither of with many of the RJ operators now. (or some majors for that matter.)

Everytime a 1000 hour pilot takes one of these low pay positions, it justifies the salary to the managment types and continues the cycle.

Something is seriously wrong when it is now the norm to make more money on a 15000 pound light jet or turboprop flying 300 hours a year and home almost everynight, than you do flying a 40,000 pound jet 1000 hours a year and gone 23 or 24 days a month.

 

[Flybet3]

Profanity deleted and this member gets 5 days in "The Box"

 

[SlapShot]

Any amount of time does not equal a quality pilot if the time is not of any quality.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

I can't believe this guy, JBpuppy, for even starting something like this. As for the majority of us, I'm sure we all have flown with a 500 hr guy who just had the skill naturally and have been with a 6000 hr guy who couldn't find the ground if he crashed. The point is, the last thing we need is the FEDs to start to dictate hiring mins. It's insane and idiotic. And I'm problably wrong for even spending the effort to respond to this thread, but this guy, puppy, is so way off, somebody has to say something. Can't wait for him in my right seat. If his cockpit manners are anything like his posts, it will be sit on your hands and answer the radios.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

No, no, no. It's "You just sit there and clap your hands so I know you're not touching anything."

Don't be THAT guy.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Hey Furloughed, I know but it's just frustrating to somebody claim to be a JB pilot, for that matter any pilot and post such inane thoughts. These boards are here I thought to promote knoweledge, encouragement and help, with a little idle gossip to keep it interesting.

 

[Lequip]

And you guys sit and wonder why regional FO pay is so low. It ALWAYS has been and it ALWAYS will be. Most if not all new hires are a full time babysitting job. Even after they get a few years in you still have to sit and baby sit them. Thats the way I remember it and it sounds like the quality of the regional new hire is doing nothing but getting worse.

 

[pilotmyf]

Makes me sick to read about 100 hour, pee-ons taking jobs in shiny jets they have no right to be in.

There is a sick sack in the seat back if you are feeling sick, or just puke into the shirt you are wearing. That way you will look like the d0che bag you portray yourself to be.
Yours truly
99hour pee-on

 

[Spooky 1]

In aperfect world we might see some total PIC limitations put on this type of hiring but as we all know, it is far from perfect. The fact is that in the early to mid 60's both UAL and TWA hired pilots with nothing more than a commercial and no instrument rating. Assuming they passed a strigent battery of tests they then sent them to school for the balance of their training. Now granted they started our on the line as B707/Constellation/DC6B FE's and not at the controls of a RJ or what ever but the point is they went on to have long and sucessful careers at these airlines. Many of todays international carriers, especially in Asia have similar programs. It can be done.

Another similar program was done by numerous legacy airlines back when the flight engineers were required to obtain a commercial, instrument rating as a condition of continuing employment. Most of them finished out their careers as FE's, but there were a number of them that migrated over to the left seat after a fairly short time as F/O's in equipment like the B707/727.



Just a little history lesson.

 

[Snakum]

JetBlueDog = Michael Buffington of 'Quack 7700' fame. He has only a Comm, Multi, and an expired Medical.

Check his previous posts ... you'll figure it out.

Minh Thong

 

[mayday1]

this guy (JBdog) posts these ridiculuous things all over this website.

he doesn't even work for JB.

the best thing we can all do is not even acknowledge his presence on this site.

 

[meatloaf]

Hmmmmm...... see the excerpt below.

see entire article here... don't know how accurate the info is, but still interesting.

http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq3.htm

Paul Stephen Dempsey, former law professor at the University of Denver, also wants you to believe deregulation has lowered the "margin of safety." (Another concept that cannot be objectively measured.) One of his articles compared the flight time of new-hire airline pilots in 1983 to ones hired in 1988 or 89. The latter had less than those hired in 1983. His conclusion? The Deregulation Act of 1978, was causing a decline in experience of pilots hired by the airlines. He didn’t bother to compare them to the experience level of pilots hired before deregulation -- for good reason -- they were even less experienced than those hired after deregulation.

In the 1964 thru 1967 period, many of the new hires had only a few hundred hours of single engine Cessna time and no instrument rating! Some were even hired without any flight time at all, if they had at least a master’s degree. The airline would sign a contract with them to go out and get their commercial license (minimum of 160 hours single engine Cessna time) and then they would start their airline training.

Roger Hall, the United pilot that led the strike in 1985, only had about 300 hours of single engine Cessna time when he was hired in 1964. He did not have an instrument rating. Pilots with that low level of experience would not have a prayer of getting hired today, and probably not at any time since 1978. And, of course, Mr. Dempsey failed to mention that some of the lowest time pilots of all, hired since deregulation, have been minority women, in compliance with consent decrees from the EEOC.

 

[ilovemesa]

1200 HOURS PIC should be the industry Min. and Federal Regulated Min. for all new hire FO's at the regionals.

Makes me sick to read about 100 hour, pee-ons taking jobs in shiny jets they have no right to be in.

FAR 121.999 should read, "All regional airline applicants should have logged a minimum of 1200 hours PIC in multi-engine aircraft prior to hire date. 35% of the 1200 required hours must be logged in Night/IMC/Single Pilot operations in multi-engine aircraft not newer than model year 1978."

AMEN, BROTHER!!

Hell yea!!!!!!!

 

[ilovemesa]

1200 HOURS PIC should be the industry Min. and Federal Regulated Min. for all new hire FO's at the regionals.

Makes me sick to read about 100 hour, pee-ons taking jobs in shiny jets they have no right to be in.

FAR 121.999 should read, "All regional airline applicants should have logged a minimum of 1200 hours PIC in multi-engine aircraft prior to hire date. 35% of the 1200 required hours must be logged in Night/IMC/Single Pilot operations in multi-engine aircraft not newer than model year 1978."

AMEN, BROTHER!!

I think that even though I only have 1900TT/500ME, I think that I should have waited until I had 3500ME, just so I could pay repect to the communair pilots!

 

[Guitar Guy]

And yet the military puts pilots with only a few hundred hours at the controls of high-performance combat aircraft...

Experience, judgement and ability are what matters and hours simply aren't a valid measurment of those items.

 

[UnstableAviator]

Most if not all new hires are a full time babysitting job. Even after they get a few years in you still have to sit and baby sit them.

A few years!? You must have worked for Gulfstream or Tab if FO's still sucked after a few years in the right seat. That, or you were flying in the days of 4-course radio ranges in a DC-3 in night IFR with an engine shut down while manually tuning a radio frequency old-school style.