Hey Chq

[skootertrash]

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[ASH]

What? You are an ignorant person, with an ignorant statement. We are attempting no such thing. We are nowhere near MESA in any respect, ooh, ohhh yeah "bring it on" yeah, OK we'll all just meet out back after school. Grow up, were professionals here, take your devisive attitude and politely sit on it and rotate.

 

[jaybird]

Yes, our pilots specificaly said we want Coex flying and we will undercut to get it.

Get a life, gaylord.

 

[stuart716]

skooter
you need to stop blaming all the other airlines and grow up. its called business.

 

[jaybird]

I see someone saying something about raising a bar in the near future.

 

[KingAirer]

Raise the BAR!!

 

[Captain X]

Um...with code-share partners like UAL, USAir, Delta, and American....who else is left for them to look at? Not many. Guess how many of those "not many" are trying to diversify their small jet feed partners.

Put the shoe on the other foot....If our company had 3 out of 4 code share partners who were either in or nearing banckruptcy I would hope they'd be looking for other options as well.

If anyone is a "whore," it's CHQ managment.

It ain't the CHQ pilots' fault. The pilot's are just doing their jobs....as we will if we start flying for someone else.

Did you pay attention to their Scope vs. Pay battle? Did you notice that they beat the 50-seat industry average and still managed to bind their holding company? I guarantee you that us XJT pilots are probably gonna end up in the very same Pay vs. Scope scenario that CHQ (and Mesa) ended up in. Do you really think it's an all you can eat buffet at XJT negotiations and we don't have to pay anything at the end of the line?

And do you seriously think that ExpressJet is going to remain the sole provider of small jet feed for CAL? Personally, I don't want all our eggs in one basket b/c if CAL takes a dive or gets bought....what are we left with? Shoot even the Mainline pilots want other carriers flying for CAL so us "Express Kids" can't "hurt their company."

 

[General Lee]

Did I miss something here? Fill me in please..... (not that way!)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jobear]

Did I miss something here? Fill me in please..... (not that way!)


Bye Bye--General Lee

It's nothing dear go back to sleep

Jobear
Filling the board with useless drivel

 

[Afixedwing]

Hey skooter, you dipsh!t, I don't know how we could under cut you. You're paid less than we are.

 

[Airpiraterob]

alright!
more people using the word dipsh!t
was wondering what happened to that word.....

 

[I.P. Freley]

Someone was paying attention when they taught logic in high school math class!

>>>I don't know how we could under cut you. You're paid less than we are.<<<

Buaaaahhhahahahahahaha!

BUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSTED!!

 

[flybrowntails]

As I have said before, this site is so fun to check out. I love how one post is calling each other names, pointing fingers, crit. equipment, company...and then the next is "Hey, why don't we start a union that represents us all." "Lets just be friends"

(I have to rank my favorites:
1. pft
2. college degree
3. one union
4. airtran vs. delta vs. sw)

This is a great site. Keep up the great posts.

fbt

 

[Sam Fisher]

>>>I don't know how we could under cut you. You're paid less than we are.<<<

Buaaaahhhahahahahahaha!

BUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSTED!!

Not exactly bud....

Our management's last offer (at least the last one made known to us) is well over CHQ already. CHQ is only 5.5% ahead of us today IP. Their bump in October puts them only 8.16% ahead of us today. Our management's last offer is 9.08% for 5th year Captains. Our MEC is still pushing and have said that it isn't close, even at that rate. Yes, some of our pilots have outrageously high expectations but 9% just ain't gonna cut it.

Sam

 

[I.P. Freley]

I know that, Sam.

But... As of today, you are paid less than CHQ. That's not a slam, it just is what it is.

Of course MY comment was aimed more at skootertrash than XJT, so relax a little... It's all good.

 

[skootertrash]

I know that, Sam.

But... As of today, you are paid less than CHQ. That's not a slam, it just is what it is.

Of course MY comment was aimed more at skootertrash than XJT, so relax a little... It's all good.

You guys are all missing the point. If and when Airways tanks CHQ will come to the pilots hat in hand. They have already gone to CAL to try and get the XJT flying and said they would undercut whatever we are charging. SO how will they do it.............Oh come on guys just take a few consessions and you can have all this CAL flying.

Ya see where this is going!!!!!

I'm sick of this FU*$#ng race to the bottom!

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>If and when Airways tanks CHQ will come to the pilots hat in hand.<<<

So you're angry at the CHQ pilots for something they haven't even done yet? And indeed may never do?

I had a conversation with an ExpressJet captain about a year ago about your contract negotiations, and he seemed to think it was almost a given that you'd lose some amount of the CAL feed when your exclusive agreement expires. He didn't seem to optimistic about the continued future of XJT in its' current form, or at least its' current (or projected) size. Now that was just one man's opinion, of course, but he intimated that he'd been around the block at XJT for quite a while (some of his comments make me think he was at least a 10-yr seniority pilot) and probably had a pretty good handle on what was likely to happen. Similar discussions with some of your current pilots, friends of mine, leads me to believe that they're onto something.

I dunno, skooter, I think you'd better get ready to lash out at any number of other RJ operators in the coming years, as it appears inevitable that some of the CAL flying will no longer be yours... It's just a matter of how much. And if it isn't CHQ, it'll be someone else. Not a race to the bottom, just good business for CAL if they can get the same product for less. To do any differently would be letting down the stockholders who actually own the company, and I dare say in any publicly held airline, management is more concerned with the stockholders than the pilots. Sad, but true.

Yeah, it sucks. But... Blaming the CHQ guys isn't the remedy, unless you think that CHQ management is spending a lot of time on the board. Accusing them of some imagined future misdeed is at the very least highly unfair.

 

[walpaper]

But... As of today, you are paid less than CHQ.

Reality check:

XJT current rates - signed in 1997, (7 years ago) 2 years past expiration

CHQ current rates - less than a year old


Boy, there's something to be proud of:

"Our brand new pay rates beat your seven years old, two years past expiration pay rates."

Furthermore, if the XJT compensation tables were extended out past the ammendable date two more years, they would be higher than the new CHQ rates.

You guys seem to be happy with your contract and that's great since you have to live under it, but don't come on here touting it like it's some prize-winning deal. In the end, all you have done is given your management the ability to undercut other carriers, steal jobs, and line their pockets with the money earned off the sweat of YOUR backs. While I don't blame the CHQ pilots directly for doing this, you certainly are indirectly responsible. Kinda like giving bullets to a murder - you didn't pull the trigger, but you certainly provided the ammo.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>You guys seem to be happy with your contract and that's great since etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.<<<

The argument you make about CHQ's rates not being something to be proud of... Well, that's STILL not the point. Accusing the pilots of trying to undercut XJT, when as of right now CHQ pilots make more money, defies logic.

That's all, I'm not defending CHQ's contract, not least because I don't work there...

 

[bogberto]

Accusing the pilots of trying to undercut XJT, when as of right now CHQ pilots make more money, defies logic.

Might as well just give up trying to explain it. They know everything there is to know, and any problems they encounter are to be blamed on someone else.

When Mesa had all the HP flying in CMH, Chautauqua underbid us to get it. Did the pilots do it? Nope. Management did. Plain and simple capitalism at its finest. They had every right to do it.