Hawker type at Simuflite

[scubabri]

Hi,

I might have landed a Hawker F/O position, and if I do (I'll know in a few days) I might be going to Simuflite for a Hawker 700 type.

I was wondering if anyone has been through the course recently, and can give me an idea what to expect. This will be my first type and I wanted to know if there is anything I can used to prepare for the class, should I go.

I've read the turbine pilot's flight manual, as well as professional pilot, both very good reads.

What have people used to memorize the memory items? What are the manuevers that need to be done. Did the instructor prepare you well enough for the checkride?

I'm also hoping I have enough hours for my ATP as well, and I can do both. Is this to much at once? Has anyone else done the ATP and type ratings at the same time?

How do you hawker drivers like the plane? The yoke is kinda funky, does it take time getting used to? Is there anything about the plane that is unusual that knowing might give me a leg up for the class?


Thanks,

B

 

[#1 FLAMED OUT]

I have done the Hawker 700 training at simuflite, good program, just be on your toes. They will not JUST give you the ticket.

You must put a little bit of effort into it.

 

[b757driver]

I did an SIC Initial on the 700 @ Simuflite some years ago and they were VERY good. Second the previous comment, you do have to work hard and then you should reap the rewards.

At your experience level, it might be a hard nut to crack but not impossible. Do your homework, stay ahead of the game, work hard and have a good attitude and it should all fall into place. Like I said, the facility, simulators and instructors are all top notch.

Good luck.

 

[HMR]

I went to FSI for my type with very low time like you. I thought King Air school was challenging, the jet was INtense. I didn't have any study materials before hand and memorized everything while I was there. I recommend going in well rested as you won't be sleeping much while you're there.
You can do the type and the ATP on the same ride. That's what I did and I got off easier than my buddies that did there ATP at home with the feds (no weather questions).

 

[Mr. Hand]

This is probably what you will see. It is the typical Lear checkride, but should be close to what you will see.

You should be very prepared for the checkride after training, and you might have time for a full checkride prep ride in the sim.

The checkride usually goes like this:
normal takeoff
fly a departure - not too hard, just intercept a radial and go to a DME
break off the departure for some practice
steep turns
stall series - clean, partial flaps, dirty
unusual attitudes
vectors to an approach
missed off of the approach
engine failure on the missed
vectors back to the same approach - single engine
full stop landing - single engine
aborted takeoff
normal takeoff to a VOR approach
go around just over the numbers
fly the published missed and hold
vectors back for another approach
circle to land
full stop
V1 cut on the takeoff
Engine restart
no flap landing
the end

 

[hawkerflyer]

Did the -700 initial in August and the accelerated type in November at CAE. The fire hose effect isn't quite as bad as with other programs. If you can get a head start on memory items and limitations, you won't feel like you're that behind the curve. I would have liked a little more emphasis on performance, namely the value of d charts. It also depends on the instructor, all were knowledgeable but Mr. Peavey was particularly effective in his teachings. Have fun.

 

[Spot]

They offer the Cockpit Reference Handbook (which includes checklists, maneuvers, SOPs etc) on-line and also have memory item drills. Contact them to see how you gain access. That part of their website is password protected.

 

[flyboycpa]

I absolutely agree with Spot!!

I did my Beechjet type at Simuflite and had a great experience! In the Beechjet program, I had some really good ground and sim instructors that had a fair amount of hours in the actual airplane.

You DEFINITELY need to get ahold of Simuflite and have them email you the access to the "Log-In" part of the site so that you can practice the emergency drills and study the systems. You can reach the appropriate person at "[email protected]" or 800-527-2463 x-8088 (M-F 8:30-5pm CST).

On the Beechjet, the Emergency Drills are interactive. They give you a scenario, then you get 15 seconds to click on the proper memory items in the proper order. It is very effective. Also, online in .PDF (Adobe Acrobat) format, there is a condensed version of the systems (diagrams and all) that you can download and save on your computer.

My recommendation for "pre-study" is to arrive at Simuflite with all of the following down-pat:

1. Memory Items (learned in the Emergency Drills)
2. Limitations (you know, speeds, weights, other odd-ball stuff)
3. If you don't already have a company-specific set of SOPs, learn those provided by Simuflite (not difficult)
4. Know the aircraft profiles (downloaded off of the website)-this gives you a basic idea of how the maneuvers are flown (better if you have these down before you show up).

If you know #1, #2, #4, and maybe a little of #3 ahead of time, your couple of weeks down there will go MUCH easier.

Hope this helps!
flyboycpa

 

[scubabri]

Thanks for all the info, I'm still waiting to hear from the insurance company and a couple other things.... gawd I hate waiting. Meanwhile..

I'm the master and commander of the 172 and am holding the skills of generations of future pilots in my hands.

Having said that... why would anyone want to do anything other than teach


sb

 

[pilot1704]

Training in simuflite!

Hi!

Just got back from simuflite dallas!

Hawker 125 700 training and 800 differencies!

Training, ground school is very slow, you get more breaks during the day than you need and in the end of the class you are pissed of that you spend half the day on the breaks or listening instructors boring stories!

If you order books before you get there and study memory items and limitations and take a look at systems you will be way head of the came!

Systems in hawker is simple, hydraulics and electricity you might want to spend extra time, since almost every system uses either DC or AC power or needs hydraulic pressure to work!

Hawker has cocks and hawker sucks, you will be learn meaning of those when you got books!

Your oral is simple , know your limitations and memory items and you do yourself a favor!

Simulator training is pretty good, much better than ground training, they do flights pretty much in JFK , or LGA airports.

Take sim siriously and make sure that your sim partner is qualified and does what he supposed to do@

if any questions PM me