Hardest/easiest initial training???

[hope2flyagain]

I was just curious about who everybody thinks has the hardest and easiest training departments in the commuter/regional airlines??? I have heard trans states and great lakes as the hardest what do you think?

 

[Capt. Tex]

When I worked at Trans States a while back, I got one of the female trainers in the sack. After that, I sailed through training.

 

[FlyingSig]

Hardest: CoEx new hire initial Be1900 training with "hank the hammer". Ever have a 4 hour oral where almost 2 hours is spent talking about the ACM/VCM systems?

Easiest: Everything else after that....

 

[General Lee]

Hardest---727FE at Delta. We had an ex Pan Am 727 PFE (professional Flight Engineer) for the checkride who had only "flown" the panel. He knew everything about the 727---and the oral was 4 long hours. Then the 10 sims after that were from 12AM to 4AM, and the checkride had one failure from EACH system--until you had to crank the gear down and dump fuel on a ten mile final---while the two check airman in the front were laughing at you. The easiest---737-200--very basic--no FMS---autoland capable---good autopilot.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Hardest---727FE at Delta. We had an ex Pan Am 727 PFE (professional Flight Engineer) for the checkride who had only "flown" the panel. He knew everything about the 727---and the oral was 4 long hours. Then the 10 sims after that were from 12AM to 4AM, and the checkride had one failure from EACH system--until you had to crank the gear down and dump fuel on a ten mile final---while the two check airman in the front were laughing at you. The easiest---737-200--very basic--no FMS---autoland capable---good autopilot.

Bye Bye---General Lee

I'd imagine guys washed out in your class General - true?

 

[amfteamster]

If you had a four hour oral then you didn't know your stuff. There is no way someone would give a four hour oral to someone who had studied.

If you think a four hour oral sucks, then study more next time. It won't take them near as long to pull the correct answers out of you.

BTW, whoever put the B1900 was hard needs to quit flying right now. The 1900 is one of the easiest airplanes in the industry. 12 switches and a couple of levers. Really tuff stuff there pal!

 

[FlyingSig]

Guess I should just quit then....

I agree a 4 hour oral is excessive....however if you read the quotes and worked for CoEx you'd know what I was talking about... it was the examiner, not the airplane.

... and General... DAL FE initial... been there done that, 10x easier then the afformentioned Be1900 initial

 

[General Lee]

amfteamster,

Yeah, ok, I didn't study.....What? This guy was known for being a real jacka$$---but I should have made it a 2 hour oral instead of a 4 hour one....What ever dude...You also sound like a jacka$$ know it all. Let me guess---you can fly the space shuttle? Nah---that would be too easy for you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[juan2go]

B1900

amfteamster,

I don't see the 1900 as one of your "ratings".

Juan

 

[acaTerry]

I guess that with the LR and EMB120 in his 14,000+ hours as his claim to fame, he's in no position to slam on the General or anybody else for that matter.

Easiest EVER, ANYWHERE, was the J32 initial ground at ACA. Now the sim, that was different, because the J32 is a real live P.O.S.

 

[amfteamster]

B1900 type rating? I was embarresed to put it on my profile. I will update it now. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[737 Pylt]

Man is that the truth

Hardest---727FE at Delta. We had an ex Pan Am 727 PFE (professional Flight Engineer) for the checkride who had only "flown" the panel. He knew everything about the 727---and the oral was 4 long hours. Then the 10 sims after that were from 12AM to 4AM, and the checkride had one failure from EACH system--until you had to crank the gear down and dump fuel on a ten mile final---while the two check airman in the front were laughing at you. The easiest---737-200--very basic--no FMS---autoland capable---good autopilot.

Bye Bye---General Lee

General:
I agree wholehartedly (sp) with everything you said. I remember the new hire 727 F/E being [hazing]! We (the 727 guys were studying our collective a$$es off while the 737-200 guys were working on their golf game!
WHEW!
737

 

[General Lee]

737 pylt,

It was tough. I flew the panel for 6 months and then was awarded Express 737--and that school was very easy compared to the 727FE. But, overall I am happy that I did the 727FE gig for awhile----it is almost a thing of the past (except at Fed Ex , Astar, Champion, Transmeridian, and Kitty Hawk). Take care.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[91100 100 set]

I was pretty whipped after initial training for the Dash at ALG, but I actually enjoyed it. Everybody bitches about the "space shuttle" training they gave us, with the big packet of 600 systems questions (it has more recently been pared down to a more reasonable number), but I'm actually one of those geeks that believes that the more you know about the plane the better, not one of those "can I reach it from the cockpit? no? then I don't need to know" people. My upgrade oral was about 50 minutes, including shuffling the paperwork around, but I was pretty well prepared by previous upgrades. Can't say I remember much of it anymore though...

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Is FDX's/UPS FE training just as DAL 727FE training described above? They ever have washouts?