Ground Instructor

[PA31Ho]

Is it possible to be able to ground instruct or sim instruct without a CFI license? I see these guys that have AGI and such, but I'm not quite sure how that works.

Thanks

 

[Biatch5]

you do not need a cfi license to teach ground school.

Just apply for the AGI and IGI (2 separate FAA Tests)

You'll be able to teach ground school when you have those 2 licenses

AGI Advanced Ground Instructor

IGI Instrument Ground Instructor

Good Luck

 

[PA31Ho]

Okay, I thought so. I have the Gleim's Flight/Ground Instructor FAA Knowledge Test book. I can study that to take the AGI. I read that studying the Gleim's Instrument Rating Knowledge Test book will prepare you for the Instrument Ground Instructor, is that correct? If so, do these tests ever expire or do you have to keep retaking them every 2 years?

 

[minitour]

No expiration on my AGI/IGI tickets...the best $0 I spent...all it cost me was an extra hour or so in the test room and about 5 minutes at the FSDO...lady was nice too...

-mini

 

[PA31Ho]

Free? And, you have to schedule it at a FSDO?

 

[buckdanny]

Okay, I thought so. I have the Gleim's Flight/Ground Instructor FAA Knowledge Test book. I can study that to take the AGI. I read that studying the Gleim's Instrument Rating Knowledge Test book will prepare you for the Instrument Ground Instructor, is that correct? If so, do these tests ever expire or do you have to keep retaking them every 2 years?

The written test for the AGI and CFI is the same, off the Gleim book you have. Here's what you do for the AGI:

- take the FOI (fundamentals of instruction) test

- take the AGI written (and at the same time you can take the CFI written so you don't have to study the book again later)

- go to your FSDO with the test results, and they will give you your AGI

The AGI will allow you to teach ground school at all levels; believe it of not but with an AGI you can teach Helicopter, glider, etc.. ground school! To keep it current you have to have taught ground school in the past 6 months. It's all explained in part 61 of your FAR/AIM.

If you want an IGI, then it's the same except that you take the FOI and IGI written. The IGI written is the same as the instrument written. The CFII is also the same. Then same thing, go to the FSDO... You only need to take the FOI once. The IGI allows you to teach instrument ground school.


When I did it, I first took the FOI. Then I studied for the CFI written. When I took it I first took the AGI written to see if I could get a good score. I did, so I took the CFI written. When I showed up for the CFI checkride, the FAA inspector looked at my writtens and took the FOI and AGI. He gave me a temporary AGI certificate right on the spot! Then we proceded with the checkride... A year later I wanted to get my CFII. I studied for the written and took the IGI first (to see if I got a good score) and then the CFII written. The next day I went to the FSDO with my IGI written and then issued me the IGI. Then a few days later I went to take the CFII checkride.

A couple more things.. A ground instructor licence is just like a commercial or an instructor licence in certain ways. You add ratings to those licences. You add an instrument rating to a private or a commercial and you add an instrument rating to a flight instructor licence or a ground instructor licence. Basically, when you get an IGI and you already have an AGI, in the end you will have one licence and it will say "advanced, instrument" in the back the same way your instrument rating shows on your commercial.

I hope all that makes sense; ask if you have more questions!

Buck

 

[Checks]

For the slow guy in the room, what can an AGI do that a CFI cant? If a guy has a CFI, CFI, MEI then is there any reason to get the AGI?

 

[buckdanny]

For the slow guy in the room, what can an AGI do that a CFI cant? If a guy has a CFI, CFI, MEI then is there any reason to get the AGI?

A CFI allows you to instruct to the extent of the ratings on your CFI certificate. The AGI is only for ground instruction and you can only teach on the ground and recommend a student for a written test. If you are a CFI then an AGI is absolutely pointless, except for one thing: in order to be a gold seal CFI, you must have a ground instructor certificate as well. One becomes a gold seal when instructor when they recommend 10 students for checkrides with the last 2 years and they have a 90% pass rate (or 80%, I can't remmember).

Buck

 

[minitour]

Free? And, you have to schedule it at a FSDO?

Free because I had a "take all the tests you can" financial deal...almost got the ATP and FE in, but I couldn't get the studying done. If you're on a "pay as you take 'em" written test deal, you'll have to pay for each written (FOI/AGI/IGI)

You go to the FSDO to get the actual license, not to take the test...but just take the completed 8710 and appropriate written tests to the FSDO, and *bam*! You're authorized to teach....

-mini

 

[mattpilot]

hold on a sec guys....

whats the difference between the AGI and IGI? According to the FARs, an AGI can teach and endorse any certificate or rating. Wouldn't that include the instrument rating?

So why should one get a IGI if you already have an AGI? I asked a DPE, and while he said his memory was a little fuzzy, he said if you have an AGI you don't need an IGI.

My question to him then was why do people have AGI's & IGI's? No clear answer.

Could someone please clear this up for me? thanks.

 

[minitour]

hold on a sec guys....

whats the difference between the AGI and IGI? According to the FARs, an AGI can teach and endorse any certificate or rating. Wouldn't that include the instrument rating?

So why should one get a IGI if you already have an AGI? I asked a DPE, and while he said his memory was a little fuzzy, he said if you have an AGI you don't need an IGI.

My question to him then was why do people have AGI's & IGI's? No clear answer.

Could someone please clear this up for me? thanks.

I don't understand it either..."any certificate or rating" to me said "Instrument Airplane/Helicopter/etc" ground instruction was cool.

I haven't a clue.

-mini

 

[xdashdriver]

If you read John Lynch's Part 61/141 FAQ on the FAA website, he explains in there that the wording in the reg that deals with AGI/IGI came out wrong but no one caught it before it became a final rule....so technically, yes, an AGI covers ALL ratings and certificates and therefore an IGI is not needed, but the intent was to require an IGI in order to teach instrument ground school.

 

[mattpilot]

If you read John Lynch's Part 61/141 FAQ on the FAA website, he explains in there that the wording in the reg that deals with AGI/IGI came out wrong but no one caught it before it became a final rule....so technically, yes, an AGI covers ALL ratings and certificates and therefore an IGI is not needed, but the intent was to require an IGI in order to teach instrument ground school.

Thx for pointing that out. I downloaded the faq and read up on it. According to Mr Lynch, a NPRM is in the works to change it so AGI's can not sign off instrument ratings. He said this in Jun of 2004. No clue how far along this NPRM is now.

**edit... as of right now though, a AGI can indeed sign off on instrument training.

 

[minitour]

And I bet the people at the FSDO don't either. Don't feel bad.

LMFAO

Thanks...needed that!

 

[JimNtexas]

Can an AGI sign off simulator instruction for any or all types of training (assume an approved sim), or would you need an IGI to train instrument or recurrency sim sessions?

 

[mattpilot]

Yes... a AGI/IGI can do sim instruction towards a certificate or rating. This is explained in the FAR61 FAQ by john lynch.


Also... as of right now, you only need the AGI or the IGI, since the AGI covers everything. But, once the NPRM goes through to seperate AGI and IGI, then you you will need both. Also explained in detail (and reason) in the FAR61 faq.