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He just doesn't want USAir as a dance partner......

NEW YORK, Dec 19 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines Inc.'s Chief Executive said on Tuesday the airline would not want to be left out of a wave of consolidation in the industry, despite its outright rejection of an offer from rival US Airways Group Inc.
"If the process of consolidation starts, you would not want to be left out," Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein said on a conference call with analysts. Earlier on Tuesday Delta formally rejected US Airways' $8.3 billon bid and filed its own long-awaited plan to emerge from bankruptcy as a standalone carrier.




The route maps of USAir and DL overlap, and do not complement each other. Sad but true. Grinstein today called USAir the "worst" partner we could have.

Hello NWA if UAL/CAL get together....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Grinstein today called USAir the "worst" partner we could have.

Now that statement right there should send chills up your spine, General.

I resubmit The USAirways Test of All Tests:

1) Is this the most FUBARed, whacked and in all other ways nonsense-laden way of doing things? If YES, proceed to 2. If NO, screw it up some more and return to 1.

2) Welcome to USAirways!

.... well, I thought it was funny.

Good luck- something tells me I need it more than you, but good luck to you folks anyway.
 
Now that statement right there should send chills up your spine, General.

I resubmit The USAirways Test of All Tests:

1) Is this the most FUBARed, whacked and in all other ways nonsense-laden way of doing things? If YES, proceed to 2. If NO, screw it up some more and return to 1.

2) Welcome to USAirways!

.... well, I thought it was funny.

Good luck- something tells me I need it more than you, but good luck to you folks anyway.


I don't think most of us want to become a part of that mess. USAir needs to take care of their own people first before they try to merge with others.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
You got that right. That's a prevalent theme in the "WTF,O?" FAQs about the "merger."
 
Parker is someone who does not accept no as an answer. He will tweak his request numerous times until he gets a small majority to see things his way. I will personally be very suprised if this aquisition doesn't happen.
 
Parker is someone who does not accept no as an answer. He will tweak his request numerous times until he gets a small majority to see things his way. I will personally be very suprised if this aquisition doesn't happen.

Parker's a young kid who has a lot to learn.
 
FUBAR!

Wow, sounds like uh Larry!

I concur with the statement regarding Parker, he will not give up so fast.
 
Parker's a young kid who has a lot to learn.

Let's see:

With a fresh MBA he went to AMR.
Moved on to NWA, still doing financial planning, etc.
Moved on to AWA, finally becoming Grand Poobah on Sept. 10, '01.
USAirways...


Ultimately achieved first bankruptcy profiteering maneuver a little over a year ago.

Time-to-climb: less than 20 years. I think he's a pretty apt pupil.
 
He just doesn't want USAir as a dance partner......True, but is anyone on Wall St. listening?

NEW YORK, Dec 19 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines Inc.'s Chief Executive said on Tuesday the airline would not want to be left out of a wave of consolidation in the industry, despite its outright rejection of an offer from rival US Airways Group Inc.
"If the process of consolidation starts, you would not want to be left out," Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein said on a conference call with analysts. Earlier on Tuesday Delta formally rejected US Airways' $8.3 billon bid and filed its own long-awaited plan to emerge from bankruptcy as a standalone carrier.




The route maps of USAir and DL overlap, and do not complement each other. Sad but true. Now this article says there are exactly 12 pt to pt overlaps. Who is lying here? Grinstein today called USAir the "worst" partner we could have. That's cuz he wants one of his two proteges to run DL. Both of those guys have been working for peanuts in hopes of a big payout.

Hello NWA if UAL/CAL get together....I think AMR might give you some competition on that one. Good luck! Also, can't wait for the DL Nov numbers due out after X-mass. We'll see if they continue to bleed into the Winter season. I think DP will be licking his chops as this will force the creditors to open the books for him to look at.


Bye Bye--General Lee
Here's another overview that doesn't include GL's spin:

Delta's Rejection Of US Air Offer Not Seen As Last Word

December 19, 2006


By Terry Kosdrosky and John D. Stoll
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Delta Air Lines Inc.'s (DALRQ) strong rejection Tuesday of US Airways Group Inc.'s (LCC) merger proposal doesn't necessarily ground the idea, especially since the powerful creditors in Delta's Chapter 11 case have so far been silent on the issue.

Delta on Tuesday outlined an extensive, stand-alone reorganization plan that would provide creditors with a return of 63% to 80%, but no cash payout.
Delta Chief Executive Jerry Grinstein also outlined the board's rejection of US Airways's $8.4 billion hostile takeover bid in a letter to his counterpart at US Airways, Doug Parker. Grinstein argued that Delta's reorganization plan is a better deal for creditors, that the Department of Justice would reject a merger on antitrust grounds, that it would saddle the company with too much debt and that it would be difficult to merge the operations of the two carriers.

Though analysts say Grinstein raised some legitimate points, Delta doesn't necessarily have the final say in the matter. In addition, the industry has to consolidate to avoid having more carriers wind up in Chapter 11 during the next economic swoon, industry experts say.

So far, Delta has refused to supply confidential financial information for US Airways to conduct due-diligence. Creditors could force that to happen, since they have a legal responsibility to obtain the best possible recovery.
"The creditors committee has remained pointedly silent," said Fulbright & Jaworski bankruptcy partner William J. Rochelle III, who represents major Delta creditor Boeing Co. (BA). "That's the swing vote."

Rochelle said US Airways could come back with a stronger offer to sweeten the deal.

Parker, the US Airways CEO, said in a press release that the carrier had always expected Delta to file a stand-alone plan and that US Airways remains "a disciplined and determined bidder for Delta." He said that US Airways continues working with Delta's creditors committee and that US Airways executives "recognize and appreciate the creditors' ultimate authority in this process."

US Airways representatives have declined comment on reports that the airline could adjust its offer for Delta.

Bob Mann, an airline consultant and analyst with RW Mann & Co., said the creditors likely will demand that Delta and US Airways open their books.
"I suspect the creditors will get their due and have the opportunity to examine each of the proposals," he said. "They have a lot of votes here."
Rochelle said Delta may be resistant to opening its books to US Airways because US Airways could find information that could be used to better compete against Delta in the future.

US Airways shares were down 0.4% at $55.60 in afternoon trading Tuesday. The stock fell as low as $54.00 earlier in the session, hitting its lowest level since Nov. 15, the same day that the carrier made public its offer to acquire Delta.

Airline Consolidation Inevitable

Helane Becker, an airline analyst with The Benchmark Company, said some of Delta's points are "well-taken," but that Delta also "skirted a couple of issues," especially its argument that the merger would eliminate competition on the East Coast.

She said the airline industry needs to consolidate, but the problem is mergers are "messy" because of labor unions and antitrust issues. "Any merger with US Airways would take upwards of a year to do just because of labor and antitrust issues," she said.

But Delta's rejection doesn't lessen the likelihood of a merger with US Airways she said. "It just makes it more expensive," she said.

Industry Consolidation - creating four or five healthy airlines in the U.S. - would help prevent carriers from financial crises and Chapter 11s the next time the economy dips, she said.

One of Delta's main reasons for rejecting the US Airways proposal is the antitrust concern. Delta argues the merger has an "unacceptably high risk of not achieving antitrust clearance" and would waste time and money, prolonging a Chapter 11 case and eating into creditor returns.

Analysts seem divided on the Department of Justice's appetite for airline mergers.

Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl said that while airline mergers "have to happen," he doesn't think the government wants it right now. Mergers mean cutting routes, which can eliminate competition in some markets where low-cost carriers won't enter.

"I kind of feel that the DOJ and politicians don't want consolidation right now," he said. "It's got to happen at some point. The airlines and financiers are ready."

Mann said Delta may be overplaying the antitrust concerns, noting that there's less than a dozen "point-to-point" markets where the airlines overlap. "I think from a DOJ perspective, there's really less here than meets the eye," he said.

The Catch-22 of antitrust approval is that mergers that involve a high number of route overlaps, such as the Delta-US Airways proposal, draw more regulatory scrutiny, said Becker. But those mergers also create more cost savings than an end-to-end merger.

Mergers with route overlaps also tend to draw more Congressional scrutiny and consumer complaints, creating public pressure to reject them, she said.
"This is an industry that needs to consolidate, and I've said that, but it's also an industry that's very difficult to consolidate."
 
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I resubmit The USAirways Test of All Tests:

1) Is this the most FUBARed, whacked and in all other ways nonsense-laden way of doing things? If YES, proceed to 2. If NO, screw it up some more and return to 1.

2) Welcome to USAirways!

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Here's one for ya...

I was at Sky harbor 2 months ago and two flights came in at kitty corner gates. The flight numbers switched between the 2 AC (both 320's). Flight XYZ became Flight ABC and flight ABC became XYZ... so everyone on both airplanes that were remaining on flights XYZ and ABC had to get off and swap AC. Again the airplanes were literally sitting next to each other. The pax literally had single file lines passing each other. I was Non-revving with a buddy and we both looked at each other like...WTF?

Some pretty whacked stuff happening out there in the dessert.
 
Some pretty whacked stuff happening out there in the dessert.

DING! We have a winner! For further proof of the UTofAT: Check out PHL, any day of the week.

Ramp employees on the express side get a stipend for doing something. What, you ask? For finishing their shift. They get 75.00 for completing a 10 hour shift. I can't repeat it enough- they get paid. For completing. A shift.

Rethink this slowly: They get paid above and beyond what their job's payrate is, simply by doing their job an entire shift. Now that's first rate management!

I mean, don't bother... I dunno, PUNISHING? them for NOT completing a shift! Give them a reeeward for doing their job! YAY! Cigars all around. Feel that breeze.
 
DING! We have a winner! For further proof of the UTofAT: Check out PHL, any day of the week.

Ramp employees on the express side get a stipend for doing something. What, you ask? For finishing their shift. They get 75.00 for completing a 10 hour shift. I can't repeat it enough- they get paid. For completing. A shift.

Rethink this slowly: They get paid above and beyond what their job's payrate is, simply by doing their job an entire shift. Now that's first rate management!

I mean, don't bother... I dunno, PUNISHING? them for NOT completing a shift! Give them a reeeward for doing their job! YAY! Cigars all around. Feel that breeze.

Seriously you have a point. the "west" employees seem to be far more tolerant of a non-livable wage. I have heard rumors that people that work at AWA (ground) say things like "we are only here for the flight benefits" etc.

Well in the mid-west and east...people try to earn a LIVING at their jobs...even ground jobs. This "merger" is an experiment that is far from over. I am waiting with bated breath for next March "when worlds collide".

I hope DP has taken into account that across the entire eastern seaboard he will not find a work force who will put in 20 years for peanuts such as at AWA. It is a totally different mentality out here.
 
I think Parkers point is he doesn't want a 20 year ramper, to expensive, he wants the 1-5 year guy, same output, more motivated, leaves before they become a burden. I don't think there is a ground "career" anywhere anymore.
 
Seriously you have a point. the "west" employees seem to be far more tolerant of a non-livable wage.

Ahem.

Doug is paying market rate to attract and retain the best. How could that possibly result in a "non-liveable wage?"

Okay, back to the serious... ness.

When Worlds Collide is probably the most apt way of painting the ugly picture that will be USAirways in March. IF... and I do mean IF... some merger with DAL were to magically occur, the holes would be huge, internal, and insurmountable. There is a limit to how many things this team can juggle.

Shoot- Doug gets paid regardless, right? Who wants pie!
 
I think Parkers point is he doesn't want a 20 year ramper, to expensive, he wants the 1-5 year guy, same output, more motivated, leaves before they become a burden. I don't think there is a ground "career" anywhere anymore.

I understand that.

My point is DP has had the benefit of having a work force that will go the extra mile for him when they really get nothing in return.

He has a rude awakening in the east. A friend told me that AWA has a thing for ground folks called "man Od" or something like that. The way it was described to me is that management makes an announcement that everyone has to stay until management says they can leave...HAHAHAHA!...

see SIGS post on east rampers.

There won't be a ramper or a gate agent to be found in the east if they try that crap.

And we will be sitting engines running short of the gate with the company profits going out the tail-pipe...

I fear that there is going to be allot of culture shock between the 2 company's. The pilot groups are getting the attention but I am hearing we might be the least of the teething problems.
 
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Parker is someone who does not accept no as an answer. He will tweak his request numerous times until he gets a small majority to see things his way. I will personally be very suprised if this aquisition doesn't happen.

Too bad most of Congress and the Chairman of the Transportation Sub Committee don't feel like he does. Take a look:


Oberstar said that by publicly exposing the potential dangers of airline consolidation, his committee may be able to "throw cold water" on merger mania. "We can nudge the Justice Department to take the action they must" to prevent a loss in competition, he said.
Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."







Keep tweaking Doug---the DOJ and Congress aren't impressed.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Hey General Lee,

Well if the US Air deal is done , then I wonder, will the Delta Widget fit on our DC9's or the Northwest Logo fit on the DAL MD80's, ... :)

(hoping not to become a sky natzi)
 
Here's another overview that doesn't include GL's spin:

Delta's Rejection Of US Air Offer Not Seen As Last Word

December 19, 2006


By Terry Kosdrosky and John D. Stoll
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Delta Air Lines Inc.'s (DALRQ) strong rejection Tuesday of US Airways Group Inc.'s (LCC) merger proposal doesn't necessarily ground the idea, especially since the powerful creditors in Delta's Chapter 11 case have so far been silent on the issue.

Delta on Tuesday outlined an extensive, stand-alone reorganization plan that would provide creditors with a return of 63% to 80%, but no cash payout.
Delta Chief Executive Jerry Grinstein also outlined the board's rejection of US Airways's $8.4 billion hostile takeover bid in a letter to his counterpart at US Airways, Doug Parker. Grinstein argued that Delta's reorganization plan is a better deal for creditors, that the Department of Justice would reject a merger on antitrust grounds, that it would saddle the company with too much debt and that it would be difficult to merge the operations of the two carriers.

Though analysts say Grinstein raised some legitimate points, Delta doesn't necessarily have the final say in the matter. In addition, the industry has to consolidate to avoid having more carriers wind up in Chapter 11 during the next economic swoon, industry experts say.

So far, Delta has refused to supply confidential financial information for US Airways to conduct due-diligence. Creditors could force that to happen, since they have a legal responsibility to obtain the best possible recovery.
"The creditors committee has remained pointedly silent," said Fulbright & Jaworski bankruptcy partner William J. Rochelle III, who represents major Delta creditor Boeing Co. (BA). "That's the swing vote."

Rochelle said US Airways could come back with a stronger offer to sweeten the deal.

Parker, the US Airways CEO, said in a press release that the carrier had always expected Delta to file a stand-alone plan and that US Airways remains "a disciplined and determined bidder for Delta." He said that US Airways continues working with Delta's creditors committee and that US Airways executives "recognize and appreciate the creditors' ultimate authority in this process."

US Airways representatives have declined comment on reports that the airline could adjust its offer for Delta.

Bob Mann, an airline consultant and analyst with RW Mann & Co., said the creditors likely will demand that Delta and US Airways open their books.
"I suspect the creditors will get their due and have the opportunity to examine each of the proposals," he said. "They have a lot of votes here."
Rochelle said Delta may be resistant to opening its books to US Airways because US Airways could find information that could be used to better compete against Delta in the future.

US Airways shares were down 0.4% at $55.60 in afternoon trading Tuesday. The stock fell as low as $54.00 earlier in the session, hitting its lowest level since Nov. 15, the same day that the carrier made public its offer to acquire Delta.

Airline Consolidation Inevitable

Helane Becker, an airline analyst with The Benchmark Company, said some of Delta's points are "well-taken," but that Delta also "skirted a couple of issues," especially its argument that the merger would eliminate competition on the East Coast.

She said the airline industry needs to consolidate, but the problem is mergers are "messy" because of labor unions and antitrust issues. "Any merger with US Airways would take upwards of a year to do just because of labor and antitrust issues," she said.

But Delta's rejection doesn't lessen the likelihood of a merger with US Airways she said. "It just makes it more expensive," she said.

Industry Consolidation - creating four or five healthy airlines in the U.S. - would help prevent carriers from financial crises and Chapter 11s the next time the economy dips, she said.

One of Delta's main reasons for rejecting the US Airways proposal is the antitrust concern. Delta argues the merger has an "unacceptably high risk of not achieving antitrust clearance" and would waste time and money, prolonging a Chapter 11 case and eating into creditor returns.

Analysts seem divided on the Department of Justice's appetite for airline mergers.

Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl said that while airline mergers "have to happen," he doesn't think the government wants it right now. Mergers mean cutting routes, which can eliminate competition in some markets where low-cost carriers won't enter.

"I kind of feel that the DOJ and politicians don't want consolidation right now," he said. "It's got to happen at some point. The airlines and financiers are ready."

Mann said Delta may be overplaying the antitrust concerns, noting that there's less than a dozen "point-to-point" markets where the airlines overlap. "I think from a DOJ perspective, there's really less here than meets the eye," he said.

The Catch-22 of antitrust approval is that mergers that involve a high number of route overlaps, such as the Delta-US Airways proposal, draw more regulatory scrutiny, said Becker. But those mergers also create more cost savings than an end-to-end merger.

Mergers with route overlaps also tend to draw more Congressional scrutiny and consumer complaints, creating public pressure to reject them, she said.
"This is an industry that needs to consolidate, and I've said that, but it's also an industry that's very difficult to consolidate."


That's great. Helane Baker thinks mergers should happen. Not bad mergers. And the DOJ will look at overlap, since in reality there aren't just 10 routes that actually overlap, we have 2 hubs right next to each other (220 nm), and they both go to the same cities, all over the South East. Even Ray Neidl has cooled on this merger, giving it a 30% chance that the DOJ would ever agree to this. If the merger was wanted by both parties, then it might have a better chance with the Gov't, but that is not the case.

And, when it comes down to it, the Unsecured Creditor Committee will determine this, including the due dilligence, and most of the 9 members on that committee are considered "friends" to DL. Here is part of an article explaining this, and saying our CFO has contacted the members and feels confident they will go our way:


Ultimately, the unsecured creditors committee in the bankruptcy case will play a key role in determining Delta's fate. The committee has not said whether it will support Delta's plan, US Airways' plan or any other offer to buy Delta that may come in. A lawyer for the committee, Daniel Golden, did not immediately return a call Tuesday seeking comment. Rochelle said Delta would likely wait to hear from the creditors committee about its views before soliciting votes on its plan.
Delta also said Tuesday that its board has unanimously rejected US Airways' unsolicited offer, disclosed Nov. 15. Delta employees held rallies at airports serving several cities, including Cincinnati, Boston and Columbia, S.C., protesting US Airways' bid; Delta executives attended a similar rally in Atlanta. Executives also issued strong statements against the merger proposal and held several conference calls with analysts to back up their belief that the US Airways offer won't work.
An official with knowledge of US Airways' plans who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks said Monday that US Airways was willing to increase its offer if Delta could justify it is worth more.
But Delta said Tuesday it believes flying solo is the best proposal for everyone involved.
"Their proposal is a bad deal for Delta and its creditors," Grinstein said of US Airways.
US Airways shares fell 59 cents, or 1.1 percent, to $55.21 in early afternoon trading Tuesday on the New York Stock Exchange, putting the value of its bid for Delta at $8.3 billion.
Delta said it believes the US Airways deal is not likely to gain regulatory approval. It also cited as obstacles: overwhelming labor issues and "flawed economic assumptions."
Delta's chief financial officer, Ed Bastian, said in a conference call with reporters Tuesday that Delta so far has not received buyout bids from any airline other than US Airways. He also said Delta has "not been approached about any other merger proposals."
Bastian said Delta showed its reorganization plan to its creditors committee last week. He would not say how creditors specifically reacted, but he said he believes the committee will ultimately support Delta's plan. Delta said US Airways continues to experience significant integration problems with its prior, smaller deal with America West. It believes US Airways is not equipped to simultaneously integrate a substantially larger company like Delta.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Hey General Lee,

Well if the US Air deal is done , then I wonder, will the Delta Widget fit on our DC9's or the Northwest Logo fit on the DAL MD80's, ... :)

(hoping not to become a sky natzi)

If UAL/CAL get together, then I believe DL/NW will get together, since they would both have Asian routes, European routes, and Latin America routes. A merger with USAir doesn't address the issues of fighting a monster combination of UAL/CAL.

As far who would keep the name or logos, I have no clue. Someone said NW would have to keep the name for bilateral rights into Japan. Who knows? I like that merger better than the USAir merger, because NW/DL routes help each other, not hurt. USAir brings nothing to the table.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Hey General Lee,

Well if the US Air deal is done , then I wonder, will the Delta Widget fit on our DC9's or the Northwest Logo fit on the DAL MD80's, ... :)

(hoping not to become a sky natzi)

Jet:
Who cares, its a much better (route) fit than US Airways! NWA's pacific routes and DL's european routes compliment each other. As well as a hub and spoke system that isn't nearly as in line with Airways.

737
 
General,

Why do you call the creditors "Friends" of Delta. Doesn't Delta owe them 17 Billion Dollers! All those friends have lost alot of money. Like many have stated, it well come down to creditors getting some of there money back either through Delta's plan or Airways or for that matter who ever else gets involved. I for one could care less what happens.
 
I understand that.

My point is DP has had the benefit of having a work force that will go the extra mile for him when they really get nothing in return.

He has a rude awakening in the east. A friend told me that AWA has a thing for ground folks called "man Od" or something like that. The way it was described to me is that management makes an announcement that everyone has to stay until management says they can leave...HAHAHAHA!...

see SIGS post on east rampers.

There won't be a ramper or a gate agent to be found in the east if they try that crap.

And we will be sitting engines running short of the gate with the company profits going out the tail-pipe...

I fear that there is going to be allot of culture shock between the 2 company's. The pilot groups are getting the attention but I am hearing we might be the least of the teething problems.


ManO'ed, or Manditory overtimed, has been in effect for quite a while out east... just ask the DCA gate agents- they'll tell you all about it. And oh yes, they stay as commanded.
 
General,

Why do you call the creditors "Friends" of Delta. Doesn't Delta owe them 17 Billion Dollers! All those friends have lost alot of money. Like many have stated, it well come down to creditors getting some of there money back either through Delta's plan or Airways or for that matter who ever else gets involved. I for one could care less what happens.

"Friends" or "allies" or people who will probably work with us for the benefit of all of us. Some creditors probably want the money NOW, and look for a short term relationship. Others can see the "big picture", and maybe believe they will benefit more with a long term relationship with benefits. Like Boeing. They obviously don't want USAir and their airbus brand taking away possible future orders with Boeing. Pratt too, since they would supply the engines. Dalpa obviously doens't want USAir. Coca Cola is based in ATL, and wants hub to remain there. (and a head quarters also probably) Fidelity makes more money with our company (all 50,000 plus) than with USAir. And, the PBGC just settled with us. I would say those 6 (out of the 9 total on the official committee) are "in line with what we are thinking." I think they will get their money back and more eventually. And, I am glad you couldn't care what happens. I do, and many of us do.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
If UAL/CAL get together, then I believe DL/NW will get together, since they would both have Asian routes, European routes, and Latin America routes. A merger with USAir doesn't address the issues of fighting a monster combination of UAL/CAL.

As far who would keep the name or logos, I have no clue. Someone said NW would have to keep the name for bilateral rights into Japan. Who knows? I like that merger better than the USAir merger, because NW/DL routes help each other, not hurt. USAir brings nothing to the table.


Bye Bye--General Lee
CAL/UAL will not happen unless DL/UsAir, DL/NW, NW/UsAir happens first.
 
CAL/UAL will not happen unless DL/UsAir, DL/NW, NW/UsAir happens first.

Really? CAL/UAL are talking PROACTIVELY right now, and Tilton wants out. He is the one pushing consolidation. CAL/UAL actually have a chance with the GOV'T since the majority of their routes do NOT overlap, and their would be minimal job loss. If they actually make a deal, then I see NWA and DL merging to compete with that monster. Anyone looking at the USAir/DL takeover from the beginning could see huge flaws--just look at the route maps.(they are identical in many places) The GOV'T doesn't like getting rid of competition to small communities. Parker should have known that. Can someone here please list the "synergies" Parker is talking about? Could they include the 18 (yes, 18) different plane types? How about the 3 different employee groups? (the other two aren't even fully merged yet--14 months later) Hubs within 220nm of each other? Riiight.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Show me where it says that they are talking proactively. The only thing I have read and been told is that they are preliminary talks. Larry K has said numerous times that if everything stays the same he wants to grow as a stand alone carrier. If DAL/UsAir does not happen then CAL/UAL will not happen, but if UAL goes after you guys then all bets are off.

IMHO CAL will not be the first one to merge, Tilton may want out but eveyone else on UAL's management team wants to keep their jobs so this a deal breaker with most other airlines.
 

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