Good Morning Gents!

[DeltaAir423]

Hope you gentlemen are having a good morning, and might be able to help out a lowly knuckle dragger (A&P). I'm planning on leaving a passenger airline for a cargo airline, however I'm going for a very different position, I'm trying for Flight Engineer, and I"m running into a little snag called a FAA Flight Engineer certificate. I have no problem working my own way through, and spending a little $$ within reason. I am currently studying for my written through Gleim, and now I'm down to a little deal called getting seat time and preparing for an oral exam and a 12 hr check flight. As far as seat time would time in a Class A Sim count? 63.37 states that a comercial pilot with instrument rating needs 5 hours flight training as a flight engineer, and there's a sub paragraph under that that states the 5 hours may be done in a sim. Right below that sub paragraph covers the MTC portion which the experience is well covered except for the 5 hours.



Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance




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DeltaAir423

 

[trip]

Most operations require you to show up with the written exam passed, they then put you through the training for their certificate and give you a checkride. After that they writeout a temporary and send you to work. Not sure if this answers any of your questions? Are you trying to get the license on your own? I think there are a couple of schools that do 727FE training. Not many operations left that hire PFE's these days.

 

[GravityHater]

12 hr check flight? Yikes!

 

[DeltaAir423]

Most operations require you to show up with the written exam passed, they then put you through the training for their certificate and give you a checkride. After that they writeout a temporary and send you to work. Not sure if this answers any of your questions? Are you trying to get the license on your own? I think there are a couple of schools that do 727FE training. Not many operations left that hire PFE's these days.

Actually this is a 747-200 operation. The recruiter that I had a chat with said that they require that I show up with a Flight Engineer Certificate (type rating not necessary as they will provide me with a 3 week ground school), and an A&P Certificate. I'm trying to get the license on my own, and I do have access to a 727-200 and L-1011 sim, I'm just waiting to hear back from the Flight Instruction Dept. if I can get some time with an instructor in the sim, obviously 727 sim would be better than the L-1011 but I'll take any time and help I can get.






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DeltaAir423

 

[Andy Neill]

I going under the idea that you do not hold a commercial pilot certificate (not listed in your profile). Under which subparagraph of 63.37(b) are you applying? Again, I guessing it is suparagraph 1 (3 years experience working on big engines).

I see nothing in 63.37 that addresses simulator. 63.39 says you can use a simulator in the practical test for the emergency response portion of the test.

Appendix C addresses the use of simulators in an approved training program (which would apply only if you are using subparagraph (7) of 63.37(b). Otherwise, I don't think it is applicable to your case.

It seems to me, you need 5 hours of real airplane seat time. Even if you applied under subparaph (7), you must still have 5 hours of seat time in an airplane if you don't have a commercial pilot certificate.