Full Stop defined...

[Airspur]

I'm looking for the definition of a full stop landing as it pertains to 61.57(b)(1).

Does a stop-and-go count for the requirements? It seems to me that the stop-and-go is a "landing to a full stop". But in the definition of option approach in the P/C glossary, it seems to distinguish between the two.

thanks,
n

 

[satpak77]

are you serious?

full stop means full stop, or at least back taxi to the runway and take off again (if cleared to do so by ATC, this technically can be done with the tires always rolling forward)

stop and go means stop and go

if stop and go meant full stop then you would be able to use the two terms interchangably with ATC

some terms are plain english and are not defined in FAR's. If that were not the case, "takeoff" would be defined as "leave the surface" and further clarified as "not to mean removing clothing"

where are you an FO at

 

[midlifeflyer]

Don't confuse "full stop" and "stop and go" for ATC traffic separation purposes with the "full stop" requirement for 61.57 purposes.

The two terms are different in the pilot/controller glossary because the have meanings for ATC in terms of traffic separation. They need to know whether you are planning to clear the runway or not.

For 61.57 purposes, the term is undefined. There's lots of terms that are not defined. When they aren't defined, think plain English. "Full stop" means the same thing it does when stopping in a car at a stop sign - bring the airplane to rest where it is no longer moving.

Stop & Goes qualify for the 61.57(b)(1) "full stop" landing requirement.

 

[Airspur]

Looking back, that was a pretty simple question. I guess I was just looking for any reference. If plain english works, that's great. I was just worried the examiner on my CFI ride would want more.

By the way, satpak77, I work at a place where the captains are professional enough to answer a question without sounding pompous or condescending. Thanks though.

n

 

[satpak77]

Airspur

ok Airspur glad to see your question answered

take care man

 

[midlifeflyer]

Looking back, that was a pretty simple question. I guess I was just looking for any reference. If plain english works, that's great. I was just worried the examiner on my CFI ride would want more.

Like other fields, there are a lot of "terms of art" in aviation, where what sounds like English means something completely different in aviation-speak. It's no wonder we sometimes look for a lot more than is actually there.

My favorite example is the stability, maneuverability, controllability group. In terms of aircraft aerodynamics, "maneuverability" has nothing to do with how easy it is to maneuver the airplane and "controllability" doesn't deal with how easy it is to keep the airplane under control. At least "stability" means what it should.

 

[nosehair]

FAR 1.1 Definitions: Flight time: "Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing."
When it "comes to rest", whether that be on or off the runway, when the wheels stop rolling. That is the end of the landing.