FTD question...no, not about TT

[Smiliner]

Sorry if this question has been beaten into the ground, but I am new to the boards. As a CFII, can I log time in an FTD with a student as "dual given"? I know it doesn't count toward my total time, but I was told I can log it as dual given. True?

I appreciate your help!!!

 

[Flying Illini]

I never counted any of the time my students were in the FTD as "dual given." I'm not sure if you could do it legally.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Sorry if this question has been beaten into the ground, but I am new to the boards. As a CFII, can I log time in an FTD with a student as "dual given"? I know it doesn't count toward my total time, but I was told I can log it as dual given. True?

I appreciate your help!!!

I don't think it matters. I don't believe there is an FAA category for "instruction given" in 61.51 or the Form 8710. I could be wrong, but I think that the purposes of logging "dual given" are (1) if instruction given it's important for some reason (like a major instructing job) to identify hours of training given or (2) to identify that PIC time was logged based on acting as CFI rather than as a sole manipulator and (3) as a record cross-check on a student's logbook entries for dual received.

Other than that, I don't think that training given, in flight or otherwise, has any significance. So as long as you don't try to also log PIC or flight time based on the sim lessons, it shouldn't matter. I guess that technically, from the CFI's standpoint, sim training given is "ground instruction" not "flight instruction".

If I had a reason to total my experience level teaching in, say a Frasca simulator, I'd log it. Otherwise I wouldn't bother.

 

[de727ups]

Log it

61.51(h) Logging training time. (1) A person may log training time when that
person receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft,
flight simulator, or flight training device.
(2) The training time must be logged in a logbook and must:
(i) Be endorsed in a legible manner by the authorized instructor; and
(ii) Include a description of the training given, the length of the
training lesson, and the instructor's authorized signature, certificate
number, and certificate expiration date.

So...you are the authorized instructor and are instructing in an FTD. You have to sign off the student's logbook if you give him that instruction so you could/should log it as "dual given" in your logbook.

 

[Smiliner]

That's the answer I was looking for!!!

BEAUTIFUL!!!

De727ups...that was what I was looking for. I only wanted to log it to show instrument training I have given to a student in the FTD.

I appreciate your help!

 

[FSB99]

i never put it in my logbook as dual given. but, i did indeed log it, just in seprate logs.. one being the student's syllabus, in his personal logbook, and again in my own personal training log i kept for each individual student.. all part of cya.

 

[dmspilot00]

Also

61.1 (12) Pilot time means that time which a person--
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(ii) Receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device; or
(iii) Gives training as an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Also

61.1 (12) Pilot time means that time which a person--
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(ii) Receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device; or
(iii) Gives training as an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device.

Good find! That takes care of the "total time issue"

 

[Long Time Gone]

How else are you going to keep an accurate record of all of the training that you have given each individual student?

What you put in your logbook is your business......what you use out of your logbook is a different story.

 

[80/20]

I agree with Long Time Gone

I think you can log whatever you want. I can see good reasons for logging FTD time as long as it is clearly marked as FTD dual given.
The FAA does not approve or disapprove the format and layout of logbooks. The critical step is when you use the time to comply with requirements - that is when you fill out a form.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Cool avatar!!!!!