FSI Training

[blueridge71]

How is the turbine aircraft training at the various FSI centers? Is it equivalent to 121 training programs? Is gouge available? Is the same type of study (i.e. memory items, limitations, flows, callouts) to be expected?

 

[Guitar rocker]

How is the turbine aircraft training at the various FSI centers? Is it equivalent to 121 training programs? Is gouge available? Is the same type of study (i.e. memory items, limitations, flows, callouts) to be expected?

I have never had a problem (except one time) with the instructors at FSI. Been to TOL and ICT only though. Everyone has always been professional. Gouge??? Some here and there.....a couple of Germans at FSI in ICT used their cell phones to take pictures of one of the written tests for the 680.....FSI eventually found their very own test on the internet after the Germans posted it there. Everyone had some gouge then, but now, no more cell phones can be used for that very same reason.

 

[Going2Golf]

It's alot better than heading to the Pan Am building only to find out you are checking with M*c or S*m. There is only 1 checkride, 1 set of standards and the instructors want you to pass. You are a customer, not an employee.
I've noticed this at all the FSIs that I have been to. DHN, ICT-Citation and ICT-Raytheon.
If you call ahead you can get a pre course study guide for the memory items limits and profiles, unless your company has specific profiles.

 

[sweptwingz]

Study

I've done training with Flight Safety at CMH, TOL, ICT, and ILM, and agree with most of the previous posts. Like most turbine courses, the data comes fast and furious. Know your memory items, all of the annunciators, limitations, and basic systems knowledge and you should get through their programs. Some of the FSI sims are quite (read too) sensitive on the yoke. Get "the tips" to flying the specific sim from your sim session instructor. They all seem have little quirks.

 

[FLYLOW22]

How is the turbine aircraft training at the various FSI centers? Is it equivalent to 121 training programs? Is gouge available? Is the same type of study (i.e. memory items, limitations, flows, callouts) to be expected?

Systems wise, FSI training is as good (if not better) as trainig you'd get at a major carrier.

SOP wise there can be some differences.

You are also a client of FSI and treated as such. No checkrides are "gimmes" but at least you don't have to ever worry about getting THAT check pilot everyone worries about. The one that yells like a drill sergent... yah, he doesn't exist.

 

[blueridge71]

Thanks. I notice in the POH that there are no boxed limitations. Am I correct in assuming that the whole limitation section is all memory items?

 

[Diesel]

It used to be but now FSI has gotten away from numbers. If it's green its good, yellow you look it up under the yellow tab, and red well the red tab.

Mostly weights, and speeds but even that is written on the instrument panel.

They used to care about the oil pressures and temps but thats long gone now because that info isn't going to help you when the ECAS is yelling at you.

 

[blueridge71]

Sounds good to me.

 

[Sparse]

Systems wise, FSI training is as good (if not better) as trainig you'd get at a major carrier.

SOP wise there can be some differences.

You are also a client of FSI and treated as such. No checkrides are "gimmes" but at least you don't have to ever worry about getting THAT check pilot everyone worries about. The one that yells like a drill sergent... yah, he doesn't exist.

Your responce seems to indicate that you have never been through a major 121 carrier's school. Pardon me if you have. FS doesn't hold a candle to the training I've received over my career. In my opinion, it is adequate at best. Technologically they are light years behind in ground training. Simunlators are pretty good and the instructors can be hit or miss but mostly hit with some outstanding. The books they provide are weak.

 

[Freight Dog]

I did a BE-300 type rating at ICT. It was a pretty good course. The training was very similar to how the airlines do it, with the exception of the sim. The instructor I had was great.

My problem with the whole training were the checklists.... Final items checklist has 16 items!!!!! They want you to do that checklist and not a flow. That was a little unrealistic.