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Hypoxik

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Not even the Chinese 145's. Looks like a DC9 copy.

From Reuters:

China unveiled its first domestically developed regional aircraft on Friday, moving a step closer to its goal of becoming an aviation giant and challenging the dominance of Boeing and Airbus.

The white 90-seat ARJ21-700 jet with three curved blue stripes on the fuselage, named "Xiang Feng" or "Flying Phoenix", was displayed to a crowd of government dignitaries and industry officials at the assembly plant in Shanghai where it will be produced.

"We are witnessing this unforgettable moment with extreme excitement," Lin Zuoming, general manager of state-owned manufacturer AVIC I, said in a ceremony broadcast live on state television.

"The ARJ21 makes us part of the global aviation industry," Lin said, but added: "It still faces a new journey to become successful financially."

The event was off-limits to most international and local media, except those directly controlled by the government.

AVIC I also announced 100 new orders for the Flying Phoenix from Kunpeng Airlines, a venture between China's Shenzhen Airlines and US-based Mesa Air.

That increased total orders for the jet -- due for its first test flight next spring and delivery from the third quarter of 2009 -- to more than 170, almost entirely from domestic carriers.

Kunpeng Airlines, which started domestic air service in October, currently has three 50-seat Bombardier CRJ-200 jets.

AVIC I, which also makes fighter planes and bombers, launched the ARJ21 project in 2000, banking on growth in China's aviation market, which will need about 2,650 new passenger jets in the next 20 years according to the latest forecast by Airbus.

While the regional aircraft was developed with Chinese technology, some key parts were sourced from foreign partners, including engines from General Electric.

The company expects its Flying Phoenix to compete with aircraft from Brazil's Embraer and Canada's Bombardier.

Aviation executives have said the regional jet's success could mark an initial step toward implementing a multibillion dollar project to develop large aircraft and wean China's airlines from their reliance on Boeing and Airbus.

Industry sources said earlier in the year that China's two state aircraft makers, AVIC I and AVIC II, as well as the Commission of Science Technology and Industry for National Defence, would be involved in developing large jets.

AVIC I and AVIC II supply components for Airbus' and Boeing's latest models, including the double-decker A380 jumbo jet and the 787 Dreamliner. AVIC II unit Hafei Aviation also makes the ERJ-145 regional craft in partnership with Brazil's Embraer.

But some analysts have expressed doubt about the commercial prospects of a large jet designed and manufactured entirely in China, given the country's limited experience in big aircraft.

"This is a long-term bet," said a Beijing-based industry analyst. "China could compete head-to-head with Airbus and Boeing some day, but it would take at least 20 years."

Story and pic.


http://www.flightglobal.com/article...hina-about-to-unveil-completed-arj21-700.html
or
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7021781.stm
 
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Looks like a rough communist copy of a DC-9.

Kinda like the Russian TU-4 (B-29).

Something tells me they will have a "newly created" turboprop that will look in no way similar to an Navy P-3...
 
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Shouldn't be a surprise since they were building the MD-90 under license. looks like they reverse-engineered it back down in to a DC-9-10.

I don't understand why everyone refers to Kunpeng as Mesa. My reading is that they are little more than investors. Anyone who thinks that the Chinese management (and government) are going to let that little troll of a gwei tell them how to run things doesn't know very much about Chinese business.

JO (the O is for oral, which I can only hope he will give a lot of in prison someday) made a cash investment in a growing market and unladed some dodgy airframes along the way. Probably one of the few smart things he has done.

He still needs to be put down like a dog, don't get me wrong! :)
 
Chinese carriers that will be represented at the event include: Air China, China Eastern Airlines, China Southern Airlines, Shandong Airlines, Shanghai Airlines, Shenzhen Airlines and Xiamen Airlines, adds the official.

They said "Dong" :eek: :nuts: :laugh:
 
Everything in the cockpit will be chock full o' lead. The control column will be a solid lead casting.
 
I hear that in China that the RJ's hit more cats then birds.
 
"One of the problems in China is that even Chinese airlines do not want to buy China's own planes," he said.
 
On the bright side of things....

China gives us lead toys...
We give them J.O.

Fair trade?
 
I think this move has to do with China banning growth.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20070816/ap_tr_ge/china_flight_safety
They was also an exemption from this if the company used this Chinese RJ. So, Kunpeng, who could not get the RJ's from Mesa they needed, has turned to this. This will put a major damper on JO's plan to shrink Mesa and send planes to China.

To get things straight, Kunpeng is not owned by mesa, just invested in. They were going to assume the responsibility to help start the project including a MX program, training program, and some aircraft. With this other aircraft, MESA will stop receving its check and the problem will just take care of itself. Burn JO.
 
The commie scumbags create their own plane for the prosperity of there own government employees that will fill the thing up.
 
The commie scumbags create their own plane for the prosperity of there own government employees that will fill the thing up.


Anybody out there really trust this thing with their lives? I'd have a hard time being one of the first crews to fly this thing...

Then again, I'd imagine that the first crews to fly it don't have much of a choice.

Communism is dead, baby.
 
Anybody out there really trust this thing with their lives?

Not when they will likely be pulling child slave labor off of the ipod assembly lines to make it...

Seriously, though, at least the powerplant is rock solid.
 
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