Fractionals from CFI?

[pilotyip]

Unfortunately pilots going to Kit's job fairs are getting jobs the airlines job they want. The guys getting the jobs would most likely encourage you to not to attend the job fairs so they will have less competition. Kit is only living out "Adam Smith's" stated in "Wealth of Nations" "Everyone looks out for their own best interest", the same as everyone else on this board.

 

[gunfyter]

I don't think I would be a consultant to managements trying to keep pilot wages low ... while running a business catering to Pilots who want flying jobs....

It just was not a good call IMO. Adam Smith or No.

 

[FLYLOW22]

CFI to ExecJet I mean NetJets, if you go back a few years it happened, those guys have Easy jobs now.

That's spelled EASy jobs.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Why worry about NetJets. Just go to a regional! Hey look on this very message board at the ALL ATPS add. They can get you hired as a FO with less than 500TT!!! Isn't that great!!??!! 500 hour FO's.

It's true. I spoke with a Go Jet F/O today in one of America's finest terminals. 512TT as a newhire.

Of course, Uncle Hulas had to lower the mins a bit in order to find pilot candidates willing to work for an alter ego, then non-Union company to rans States.

After all that hard work in training and on the other side of the "school house" I asked him what he thought now...

He said, "I have a wife and a child, this job pays squat."

Then we talked about Pilot Unity for about an hour over Starbuck's... I bought. He soaked it all up...

New pilots aren't learning about the things that are most important to us and the profession. No one is teaching them about towing the line, helping the other guy and looking out for one another.

Every day we are seeing the all time worst day for an aviation career as a professional. Every day since deregulation has led to this day, and tomorrow, and the next...

This profession will not get better until we pick it up by the horns and kick it in the ass. Right now, most parts resemble a pig and not a bull.

NJA pilots seemed to have found what chords to play on our instrument.

I have never felt more unified and a part of any other pilot group.

ALPA? IBT Airline Division? APA (for sure)?

The common thread is the one that binds.



And I digress... CFI to NJA? I'm not saying it's impossible, but improbable. ExecJet was a different time, place and world flying SII's around like corporate pilots. NJA is a very demanding animal and flying jets is probably 1/4 of the work to be done (if you're doing it right).

This business is built on providing our owners solid flying skills in jets, superior customer service (usually trying to fix problems caused by CMH) and attention to detail and communication (spoken and unspoken).

One of the most important things to bring to the interview table is good judgement. An "old" pilot asked a "young" pilot once how he gained so much good judgement. The old pilot responded, "Experience". The young pilot asked the old pilot how he got so much experience to which the old pilot said, "Bad judgement!!"

Our owners pay for experience and they are getting pretty good experience up in the front. Even Chuck Yeager would have a transition period getting used to fractional operations. It takes a while to get your "routine" down from how to pack your bags adequately for a 7 day trip to when to leave the hotel to insure an ontime departure... even if Mr. Big shows 30 minutes early (if possible considering safety).

My advice... do what you want. You will, however, do better in any interview being able to cite examples of issues that have arisen while flying a jet in a crew environment.

Good luck. Oh yeah... when the company says you have to report to a Domicle and there is no good way to commute, tell them thats stupid. Well... scratch that. Saying that might gain you a notch of experience!!

It would feel good though.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Fozzy has hit the nail on the head, the regionals are a stepping stone where you build resume fluff, and then move on down the line.

Too bad the regionals have grown to fly over 1/2 of all block hours flown by their major airline "parent" companies.

That's quite a big stepping stone... that's a stepping mountain.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Don't you listen to Kit Darby? He's been preaching this pilot shortage for years! Just pay him and he'll tell you all you need to know about this situation.

Kit = TOOL.

That man would sell his mother for a dollar.

 

[FLYLOW22]

That's spelled T-O-O-L.

 

[Diesel]

KIT= Cee U Next Time

 

[Fozzy]

I am really happy to see that my post has been well received. I will not let anyone forget what a T O O L Kit Darby is. We can all cost him money. Just tell the truth about him.
Flylow is dead on. We are not teaching our new peers. We all need to kick it in gear and do some educating. We also need to start poisoning the well.

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

Hey Guitar Guy, I'm not taking your response too personally, but maybe I didn't know who he was or what he did because I DIDN'T ever buy his services. Peace, Bro.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Hey Guitar Guy, I'm not taking your response too personally, but maybe I didn't know who he was or what he did because I DIDN'T ever buy his services. Peace, Bro.

Ed - I wasn't pointing my response at you so there wasn't anything to take personally. I just feel it's important for anyone reading this thread to understand exactly who Kit Darby is. Like some of the other respondents, I hope a lot of pilots will have their eyes opened to exactly what sort of snake Kit is.

As for pilotyip's response, there is such an ideal as integrity and I don't see much of it in Kit Darby.

 

[pilotyip]

What does integrity have to do with getting a job at an airline? Some have said that Kit could be the worst snake oil salesman ever to come down the road, but that has nothing to do with his job fairs. The fairs are a viable option for getting interviews at great airlines looking for pilots. To cut off your nose by not going to his fairs to prove a point may not be in the best interest of one's career. You have to seperate the man from his product, if you have problem with Kit.

 

[CA1900]

What does integrity have to do with getting a job at an airline? Some have said that Kit could be the worst snake oil salesman ever to come down the road, but that has nothing to do with his job fairs. The fairs are a viable option for getting interviews at great airlines looking for pilots.

The difference is that job fairs in the real world are mostly paid-for by the prospective employers. Only in this stupid business do the applicants get raped for hundreds of dollars on top of it.

Kit Darby is pure slime. I wouldn't give him a dime.

 

[Gator1999]

Kit should be ashamed of himself for charging what he does from furloughed pilots. And if you are willing to give him a couple of hundred bucks to stand in a couple of lines, just to hand a resume to a prospective employer and get some "face time", you should be ashamed of yourself too. I know that there have been people that have been able to get jobs from these things but maybe if he is so proud of his product, he should provide a money back guarantee like emerald coast interview consulting does. Aaron (AlbieF15 on FI) does a fantastic job in preparing a candidate for an interview, and if you don't get the job, he gives you your money back! Aaron doesn't teach gouge, instead teaches a candidate to interview more effectively. If you are going to spend the money, go to emerald coast and talk to Aaron...he's a class act.

 

[Photoflight]

What does integrity have to do with getting a job at an airline? Some have said that Kit could be the worst snake oil salesman ever to come down the road, but that has nothing to do with his job fairs. The fairs are a viable option for getting interviews at great airlines looking for pilots. To cut off your nose by not going to his fairs to prove a point may not be in the best interest of one's career. You have to seperate the man from his product, if you have problem with Kit.

aren't you the same guy who got a bunch of guys fired from USAjet for doing the same things your kid was doing...but he kept his job?!?!

 

[Diesel]

ooooh that sounds juicy.

Does your kid have a degree? (old reference )

 

[acaTerry]

New pilots aren't learning about the things that are most important to us and the profession. No one is teaching them about towing the line, helping the other guy and looking out for one another.

NO KIDDING. Just read the Regionals board on flightinfo. The kids / pilots going into regional airline flying are definitely not good for the industry...the wh0re themselves out for scumbag outfits like GoJet, climbing on knives they put in the backs of their fellow pilots and then want something better.
I think WHERE the pilots are coming from is also a factor. No more is the kid at the fence coming into aviation. Now it's the techie or some other changer who was sold the pipe dream airline pilot lie by the likes of Kit Darby and all these flight "academies" that teach tests and scripts to get kids on the "fast track". They even dress them up like airline pilots but let them keep that long hair, goatee, earring, etc. Most of the students don't even know a Citation from a Gulfstream. They just want an easy job and lots of money.
It's a shame that fewer people are becoming pilots from childhood. Now it's just another "get rich quick" scheme that is being sold.

 

[pilotyip]

And ACA today is different from 1965 when UAL, NWA, EAL were hiring 250 hr Comm/MEL/Inst pilots? Pilots who had not really made this a career option until the job showed up. When a pilot is between jobs and has a familty to feed a house to pay for, they are often forced to take whatever jobs they can find at whatwever pay is being offered. It is not a simple black and white world.

 

[Guitar Guy]

What does integrity have to do with getting a job at an airline?

Wow - that statement could raise questions on a lot of levels, taken on its own. But I'll allow that you are talking about Kit's integrity or lack thereof.

Some have said that Kit could be the worst snake oil salesman ever to come down the road, but that has nothing to do with his job fairs.

I prefer not to deal with or give money to people and companies that I don't respect, regardless of their product or service.

You have to seperate the man from his product, if you have problem with Kit.

Sorry, I can't separate Kit from his "product".

For the record, I've gotten my flying jobs through connections I made myself and without giving one cent to Kit. I'm also heartened to say that most of my friends in the flying game have been able to move to career jobs without Kit's costly "assistance". In fact, I can't really think of anyone I know that got a job through Kit's "services".

I also agree with what some of the other respondents have said about paying for job fairs. When I was graduating with my engineering degree, I attended several job fairs and I paid exactly zero dollars for all of them.

 

[zawillif]

I know 1 guy who went straight from CFI to NetJets. But he was a 5+ year CFI who was also a lower management type at a large 141 flight school.