Frac purchase: 2000EX versus CL-300

[CL300Pilot]

Ooops

I forgot to mention that the fuel flow was at .80 as well.

Gunfytr,

Yes, it is an awesome aircraft as well. The worse part about it is the long legs :laugh:

 

[psysicx]

Thanks for the info I forgot they also charged by the hour.

 

[G100driver]

If you are going to be sitting in the back the fit and finish on the EX is unsurpassed. The interior cannot be beat. IF your plan is international I would also go with the EX. It has 3800nm range with dual IRS/GPS and AHARS as opposed to 2 GPS's and AHARS only.

Until Dassault gets the bugs out of the EX EASy I would stay in the CL-300 unless range is an issue. After that Dassault hands down. But then again it is a $28 million dollar A/C vs an $18 million A/C.

A better comparision would be the CL-300 vs G-200 and the DA-2000EX vs CL-604. At least then you are looking at apples vs apples.

 

[Slim177]

"A better comparision would be the CL-300 vs G-200 and the DA-2000EX vs CL-604. At least then you are looking at apples vs apples."

That is the answer!

If you have 5500' of runway take a G200 over the CL300 and save alot of money.(If your figures are right)

The CL300 looks much better than a G200, but unless you are runway limited, the G200 will outperform it all around! The EX is a great plane but not in this arguement. If you say they are the same numbers, then take the EX! Alot more plane for the same price. I would advise to save some money and take the G200. NJA has 20 in their fleet with 6-9 more this year.

The CL300 is a prettier plane on the outside, the G200 is a nicer interior with more room available in their respective layouts. The G200 is faster, longer range, (phnl-kmsy!), and more economical based on those numbers.

 

[capt_zman]

Not really familiar with the 200, but I'd be very surprised to see it outperform a 300. The 300 climbs like a rocket ship, sips fuel and has the doc's of a hawker. As for mx, I can only say that I've heard the 200 is an absolute pig.

300 has been a great bird so far, only gripe I have is the finish work inside the cabin (woodwork especially).

 

[On Your Six]

Not really familiar with the 200, but I'd be very surprised to see it outperform a 300. The 300 climbs like a rocket ship, sips fuel and has the doc's of a hawker. As for mx, I can only say that I've heard the 200 is an absolute pig.

300 has been a great bird so far, only gripe I have is the finish work inside the cabin (woodwork especially).

Didn't know Fedex operated CL300s....

 

[Slim177]

I am here to tell you that last tour I climbed to FL370 in 12 mins, with four paxs and four hours fuel. We max our fuel at 15K and I have flown a 9.0 hour flight, not block, at .76M! Flexjet did a great job setting the record from crq to maine, but we could set a record most flights if we choose. If I wanted to operate out of a short strip with several children onboard, the CL300 is the plane for me! If runway length is not a factor, we blow the doors off the CL300! Not bias, just the reality.

At NJA. our docs are lowest in the company due to the warranty. Lower than the Ultras or even the mighty GVs(cheap dig). Our finish is up to Gulfstream standards. They have worked hard to make that happen! We have some LED interior lighting and our BOW is much less than the original G200s. This is not a Flex vs NJA question! Just the reality as to the current G200 vs the CL300. If takeoff numbers are not a factor, no comparison between the two!

The G200 will always be faster, more cabin volume, cheaper, and with the new product support from Gulfstream, more availibility than the CL300.

Remember, I'm not a salesman; just a pilot trying to earn a living! This forum should be about sharing info, not pumping up my current ride.

 

[capt_zman]

Well you are sharing info, because if you had asked me before if a G200 had 9 hours of range, a huge cabin and could be operated for less than a hawker, I would never have believed it.

With such awesome performance, why don't we see more of them?

 

[Slim177]

Before they were being supported by Gulfstream I believe they were poor quality with awful support. Now the mighty Gulfstream is stuck with them. They have been working hard to make improvements in the design and have come a long way in product support!

The plane is sold out for the next 18 months. Just came from the facility in Dallas and they can't handle any faster pace. You will see more, just gonna take time to get them out in the world!

 

[FraxJockey]

Riiiight

Where do I begin?

I am here to tell you that last tour I climbed to FL370 in 12 mins, with four paxs and four hours fuel.

We'd be out of F370 on our way to F430 about that time.

We max our fuel at 15K and I have flown a 9.0 hour flight, not block, at .76M!

I guess if we wanted to land on fumes we could do close to 8 hours (but mostly at .80)...is that a good thing?

Flexjet did a great job setting the record from crq to maine, but we could set a record most flights if we choose. If I wanted to operate out of a short strip with several children onboard, the CL300 is the plane for me!

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Lets see...4 adults and 4 kids (sound like 2 families to me) and bags....LEGOLand anyone?

If runway length is not a factor, we blow the doors off the CL300! Not bias, just the reality.

In case you haven't noticed, a big portion of our (fractional) flying is in or out of your smaller strips...HXD, CRQ, SMO,APF,CRG, Key Largo,etc... How about ASE or EGE? But I forgot runway length ISN'T a factor..?!?

This is not a Flex vs NJA question! Just the reality as to the current G200 vs the CL300. If takeoff numbers are not a factor, no comparison between the two!

I guess in a perfect world we'd all have 10000' clean and dry runways....but I digress.

Remember, I'm not a salesman; just a pilot trying to earn a living! This forum should be about sharing info, not pumping up my current ride.

I'll have some of what you're smoking. Talk about pumping a ride.

Here's some stats:

The CL300 is the first point design aircraft for the fractional market.

For comparison I'll include data for the Gulfstream G200 which is at a similar price point.

Challenger 300 / Gulfstream G200

Cabin dimensions: L 23'7" x H 6'1" x W 7'2"/ L 24'5" x H 6'3" x W 7'2"

Max. T/O Wt: 38,850 lbs / 35,450 lbs

Max. Ldg. Wt: 33,750 / 30,000 lbs

Max Zero Fuel Wt: 27,000 lbs / 24,000 lbs

Max. Fuel: 14,045 lbs / 15,000 lbs

Max Payload: 2,800 lbs / 3,800 lbs

Max Payload Full Fuel: 755 lbs / 400 lbs

Engines: Honeywell HTF7000 6,826 lbs thrust / Pratt & Whitney 306A 6,040 lbs thrust

TBO: On condition / 6,000 hours

Normal Cruise (Mach): 0.80 / 0.80

Long Range Cruise (Mach): 0.75 / 0.75

Mmo (Mach): 0.83 / 0.85

Range @ Normal Cruise: 3,250 nm / 3,050 nm
(4 pax, ISA, NBAA Res.)

Range@ LRC: 3,317 nm / 3,400 nm
(4 pax, ISA, NBAA Res.)

T/O Dist (SL, ISA, MTOW): 4,840 ft. / 6,080 ft.

Landing Dist. (SL, ISA, MLW): 2,610 ft / 3,280 ft.

Initial Alt: FL410 / FL390

Max. Alt: FL450 / FL450

Direct Operating Cost per Hour: $1,638 / $1,702


GV

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You judge for yourselves.

Frax