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Propsfullfwd

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Is or was the grass greener on the other side? I have he chance to hop from one to the other. It will be bigger and better equipment. I will have to commute which I'm currently doing. I am at the bottom of this list so that would not be that big of deal. I do think upgrade time will be quicker where I'm at. Any comments welcome including the ones like "all you have flown is a Beech anything is better".

Props
 
If the only reason is to get the bigger equipment, then I would say stay where you are. The bigger plane thrill wears off pretty quick. I would look at how hard the commute would be, pay, QOL, upgrade time, etc... If your upgrade time would be a lot quicker where you are, I'd probably stay there.
 
If you are going to make a lateral movement go right ahead. Just don't make another lateral move back to your original regional to be a checkairman. Especially in a airplane you have 0 PIC time in. Wheeew. Got that off my chest. Ok what was the question?
 
I left Piedmont 2 and a half years ago to go to Comair. WAY better life style. Depends were you are going.
 
BoeingBaller said:
1000 PIC turbine is it worth anything anymore?
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Yeah, it means that you can at least put your app in with FedEx, UPS, SWA.....doesn't mean you will get called but without it....you definitely won't.
 
See my profile...I have only flown the beech 1900. Anything would be better!!!!!!!!!!! It is the lamest ride around, especially to the passengers and all your friends. The only people that may find it cool are a few CFI's at your old flight school. I find it to have been a big dissapointment. But, i am glad i never jumped ship to another regional back when all my co workers were doing it. It has done wonders for my resume, and i have lots of PIC time. It still remains to be seen if this will help me. You may need to stay and get the PIC, I am sorry. Unless your are 20 years old or something, then may be the jump could be good.
 
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How long have you been with your current company? I think there is a lot to be said about sticking with a company at least through probation. Things like that ARE noticed in interviews.
 
I'll be honest with you. I'm the KING of "jumping ship".

Since I started out in this industry I have always been on the look-out for the better deal.

#1. When I was a Jetstream 31 F/O (which, by the way, makes your Beech1900 look like the Starship Enterprise) I was interviewing for Dash 8 jobs.

#2. When I was a Saab F/O I took a job as a DC9 F/O with (what was then) a pretty lousy LCC.

#3. When I got furloughed from there I went back to being a Saab F/O for a bit.

#4. I got hired by USAir, and then furloughed 3 years later.

#5. Got hired by a turboprop regional.

#6. Was concerned about long-term viability of turboprop regional so left and went to a large jet-regional.

#7. Was concerned with long-term job security at jet-regional due to "portfolio concept" but left jet-regional to take corporate job with large corporation.

If I had stayed at Chautauqua -- either time -- i'd be a pretty senior E145 (or 170) Captain

If I'd gone back to AirTran after recall, i'd be a 717 Captain

If I'd stayed at the turbprop regional i'd be an RJ Captain

If i'd stayed at the jet regional i'd be a mid-seniority RJ F/O (albeit probably for many many years)

The point of all of this is that basically I would have been just fine nomatter where I worked if I had stayed in one place.

In "Fate is the Hunter" Ernest Gann talked about "the numbers". He said that the numbers govern our entire lives as airline pilots. You cant cheat the numbers and those that try, likely find themselves worse off than those who dont.

While I dont advocate that you stay somewhere where you are unhappy, just jumping around chasing a "better deal" really doesn't work.

Trust me. I've done it and i've got a closet full of uniforms to prove it.
 
Great post

Great reference to "Fate is the Hunter" too. And a closet full of uniforms-- I'm sure your new girlfriends think the whole pilot thing is just a gig to get girls, ahhaha.:)

When Mesaba was in the trench of contract negoitations a year ago, some left for Air Wisconsin.

Job Security seems like a thing that might play a big role in choosing where to go.
 
I've done it twice - once to fly bigger equipment and the second time because my furlough was impending. Both times I have been reasonably happy with the result. My QOL now is far superior to what it was at either of my previous airlines and I might actually see an upgrade in the next year and half here too. But if you are going to do it make sure that you are doing it for the right reasons. I agree with the earlier poster that if you can stay and get some PIC time that is probably better for your long term career - depending on what your goals are. You can always fly a jet after you get some PIC but if you go back to the bottom of someones list before that there is no telling when you might make it to the left seat.
 
Propsfullfwd, listen to Furloughed Again.


BRA said:
See my profile...I have only flown the beech 1900. Anything would be better!!!!!!!!!!! It is the lamest ride around, especially to the passengers and all your friends. The only people that may find it cool are a few CFI's at your old flight school. I find it to have been a big dissapointment. But, i am glad i never jumped ship to another regional back when all my co workers were doing it. It has done wonders for my resume, and i have lots of PIC time. It still remains to be seen if this will help me. You may need to stay and get the PIC, I am sorry. Unless your are 20 years old or something, then may be the jump could be good.
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Yeah, the B1900 sucks. Man, I would give anything to fly that thing right now. I have the interview of my life (UPS) coming up and I have no scan! Of course, I probably wouldn't have the interview without the little Airbus time I have.

Dude, who cares if people find it cool. Who cares what the pax think? If they want a $30 ride, it should be in a 1900.
 
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FurloughedAgain said:
If I'd gone back to AirTran after recall, i'd be a 717 Captain
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Not to pour salt into your wounds, but if you were part of the summer of '98 furlough, you'd be in the top 23% of the senority list.
 
-9Capt,

Geez. Thanks. I feel much better now. (lol) Yeah, I was a part of that group. Me, a bunch of guys from Great Lakes, a bunch of guys from CCAir, and some guy named "Blayde".

Oh well.
 
I know Blayde, I flew with him at Trans States and he followed me to AirTran. I missed those furloughs by 3 classes.
 
FURLOUGHEDAGAIN,


I think the only questions you left unanswered, are what are you currently doing and what's your next move??
 
FurloughedAgain said:
I'll be honest with you. I'm the KING of "jumping ship".

Since I started out in this industry I have always been on the look-out for the better deal.

#1. When I was a Jetstream 31 F/O (which, by the way, makes your Beech1900 look like the Starship Enterprise) I was interviewing for Dash 8 jobs.

#2. When I was a Saab F/O I took a job as a DC9 F/O with (what was then) a pretty lousy LCC.

#3. When I got furloughed from there I went back to being a Saab F/O for a bit.

#4. I got hired by USAir, and then furloughed 3 years later.

#5. Got hired by a turboprop regional.

#6. Was concerned about long-term viability of turboprop regional so left and went to a large jet-regional.

#7. Was concerned with long-term job security at jet-regional due to "portfolio concept" but left jet-regional to take corporate job with large corporation.

If I had stayed at Chautauqua -- either time -- i'd be a pretty senior E145 (or 170) Captain

If I'd gone back to AirTran after recall, i'd be a 717 Captain

If I'd stayed at the turbprop regional i'd be an RJ Captain

If i'd stayed at the jet regional i'd be a mid-seniority RJ F/O (albeit probably for many many years)

The point of all of this is that basically I would have been just fine nomatter where I worked if I had stayed in one place.

In "Fate is the Hunter" Ernest Gann talked about "the numbers". He said that the numbers govern our entire lives as airline pilots. You cant cheat the numbers and those that try, likely find themselves worse off than those who dont.

While I dont advocate that you stay somewhere where you are unhappy, just jumping around chasing a "better deal" really doesn't work.

Trust me. I've done it and i've got a closet full of uniforms to prove it.
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda....

the story of our aviation lives. But I'm the one that decided to stay with my employer and look what I'm facing now. In the end it boils down to LUCK.

Today is March 23, 2005. 4 years ago on this very day I interviewed in ATL with AirTran. The following Wed they called me for an April 9, 2001 class. After some heming and hawing I decided to stay and turned the offer down.

If only we had a crystal ball....

The only day you'll know weather your career decisions were right or not is on your 60th birthday.
 
I made the big "lat" move a while back and it worked out very well. My move was not for anything bigger or better, just quality of life issues. The move from rj capt to rj fo was no big deal whatsoever, I guess it just depends on how big of an ego you have/need. As for the grass being greener, I personnally believe there is no such thing. You need to talk to as many people as you can at your potential new airline so you know exactly what you are getting yourself into. Keep in mind that once you think you know exactly what you are getting into things will completely change because this is aviation and that is just what happens. If you want more info just drop me a pm. By the way, the 1900 was the most fun I have ever had flying. But **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, those were some long @ss days! Oh yeah, 1000 hours pic is simply the number after 999 and before 1001, it really doesn't mean d1ck with 10,000+ furloughed pilots and everyone and brother has a 73 type. Good luck whatever you do.
 
I left as the almost # 1 FO at Colgan in July of last year. I went to ASA. My second year FO pay is more than the second year Capt pay at Colgan. So money was not an issue. Quality of life; Allot better since I no longer commute. I had 12- 14 days off at CL, at ASA I am a line holder with 10 days off and I am home twice as much as I was. No more nerve racking commutes to SYR. I am not nearly as tired since I fly no more than two legs a day (Nap Line). The CRJ is not nearly as loud as the B1900. I was willing to walk away from PIC time for quality of life issues and other personal reasons. And despite what some union hardliners say, life at ASA is good compared to Colgan. And I must say, when I was flying at Colgan I was not unhappy, I just got a taste of the good life and don't want to go backwards.

If you already have 1000 hrs PIC, then you need Jet time. I say apply to that regional. BUT, think about who it fly's for. I would not leave a US Airways Express Carrier for another US Airways Express Carrier. The airline seems to have 9 lives, but if they run out, then Chicken Taco, and others are going to suffer a major setback. Delta my face bankruptcy eventually, but the long-term outlook is much more fiscally sound than other Legacy carriers currently in financial trouble.
 
FurloughedAgain said:
Whats ol' Blayde doing these days? Still living in Dallas? How about Scroggins? He was my sim partner. He still there?
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Both of them are still here. You might bump into Blayde in the divorce attnys. office, I think he moved to ATL.

If I were furloughed back then, I probably wouldn't have come back either. You wouldn't even recognize the place now.
 
Send me a PM and tell me who you are, I doubt he knows you as FurloughedAgain.
 
Thanks for all the replies... I was mainly asking b/c there are people jumping ship and it has crossed my mind more then once. So I sent out a few resumes and have got a call back from almost all of them As for better equipment an rj or crj. And Drew I talked to you in the crewroom a few weeks ago for your taxi repo to the mx hanger. Which did not happen. I do not know if you are senior to me or not. I was in the first class in Aug.

Thanks again,
Props
 

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