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73belair

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I had to call in sick after the 1st day of a 4 day. CP said I sould fill out the FMLA paperwork. Now the question. Do I need to see a Dr. for some info on that paperwork? I just moved to GA and don't have one here, so I can't really get in to see one right now. Not to mention that I really never go to a Dr. when sick. I just get better.

Whatchya think?
 
When I had to do FMLA paperwork, I did indeed have to have a doctor sign the form saying yes, I was sick, and yes, it did fall under one of a list of categories of what was wrong with me. Not sure if that's a company thing or a government thing, but I definitely needed a doctor involved for FMLA.
 
Why would you need to fill our FMLA for a sick call? Do you have a sick bank to get paid from? The only times I used FMLA was when I had a long time off due to surgery and for a sinus infection that wouldn't go away. The sinus one was because I didn't have any time in my sick bank and was not getting paid. Supposedly it wiped out my sick call as per Human Resources. Plus, my doctor charged each time he had to fill out the papers.
 
Lexy said:
Why would you need to fill our FMLA for a sick call? Do you have a sick bank to get paid from? The only times I used FMLA was when I had a long time off due to surgery and for a sinus infection that wouldn't go away. The sinus one was because I didn't have any time in my sick bank and was not getting paid. Supposedly it wiped out my sick call as per Human Resources. Plus, my doctor charged each time he had to fill out the papers.

Because calling off sick is a capital offense at the regionals. You are not allowed to be sick, if you do call off sick it is an "occurrence." Theoretically, five occurrences in a year and you are terminated. The FMLA paperwork supposedly prohibits the company from disciplining you for calling off.

Having said that, about a year ago I spoke to one of the local FSDO folks, he said if ANY pilot is disciplined for calling off sick, he wants to know about it. The FAA, for all of their short comings, is solidly behind pilots on this one, they DON'T want sick pilots flying.
 
Palerider957 said:
Because calling off sick is a capital offense at the regionals. You are not allowed to be sick, if you do call off sick it is an "occurrence." Theoretically, five occurrences in a year and you are terminated. The FMLA paperwork supposedly prohibits the company from disciplining you for calling off.

Having said that, about a year ago I spoke to one of the local FSDO folks, he said if ANY pilot is disciplined for calling off sick, he wants to know about it. The FAA, for all of their short comings, is solidly behind pilots on this one, they DON'T want sick pilots flying.

I am at a regional and haven't had a problem. Even though I had no sick time left in my bank, what's that tell ya? I was told by the CP that the FMLA paperwork "wipes out" your sick call, that's all. And they have to have it if you are not getting paid.
 
At ASA if you bang in sick too many times they can fire you!

FMLA is a government program that makes it illegal for the company to dicipline you for being sick.

First things first. GO TO THE FREAKING DOCTOR. Even if you are not sick, tell the doctor your nose has been running, and you have a sore throght. Make some sh!t up, and get some allergy medicine or something, becuase if you dont you will be on the ASA ROAD TO JOBLESSNESS!

Next: Tell Mary Jane or Linda in the CP office that you want the FMLA paper work. That paper work will be sent via US mail to your home address you have on file with the company.

Next: take that paper work ( about 30 pages) and go to your doctor and give it to them to be filled out. Tell them to fax the paperwork back to ASA with the provided fax number.

Next: IN about a week call the company (some overpaid VP of some bull crap we dont need) and verify that the paperwork went through.

NEXT: HERE IS THE BIG ONE..... START PRAYING YOUR FMLA CLAIM GETS APPROVED.

IF NOT YOU ARE ONE STEP CLOSER TO BEING JOBLESS AT ASA.

"dam you for getting sick... you get a cold again, your fired"
 
Asa Fmla

Recently I have heard that ASA has been denying most people for FMLA. This includes sick call and extending pregnancy leave. I heard that they are getting sued for this FMLA, because they cant deny it for certain reasons. This is not personal experience, just from talking to other pilots and FA's.

So it seems like it is easier to get a Presidental pardon, than FMLA from ASA.
 
What's with the 20-day rule (or whatever the number is) stating that we have to get our paperwork to them in a certain amount of time. I was out 6 weeks with some serious knee surgery, turned in my FMLA about 2 days after the deadline and was rejected (slack, I know...but I wasn't aware of any deadline).

What difference does it make whether I get it to them in 1 day or 21? It's still the same illness, and I'm still out of work for another 3 weeks.

Now I have a bonus occurence in my file that shouldn't be there.
 
FL000 said:
What's with the 20-day rule (or whatever the number is) stating that we have to get our paperwork to them in a certain amount of time. I was out 6 weeks with some serious knee surgery, turned in my FMLA about 2 days after the deadline and was rejected (slack, I know...but I wasn't aware of any deadline).

What difference does it make whether I get it to them in 1 day or 21? It's still the same illness, and I'm still out of work for another 3 weeks.

Now I have a bonus occurence in my file that shouldn't be there.

I believe the ASA limit is 30 days, but I've been told that you actually have a year to submit the paperwork. Don't know how accurate that is, but with the way ASA changes things to suit themselves I wouldn't be surprised if they were fudging things.

And I would strongly recommend following up on getting the paperwork. They sent mine to my parent's house which hadn't been my "address on file" for over 2 years. The first indication that I could possibly have used FMLA was a note in my box telling me that I no longer qualified because I didn't return the paperwork in time.:confused:

I'm really starting to hate ASA.
 
FMLA is a federal law, and employers can't change federal law to suit themselves. As long as you submit everything in accordance with the FMLA guidelines, they can't legally deny it.
 
HR Diva weighing in here:

The FMLA was passed to protect the employment of employees who have a serious health condition, a dependent child with a serious health condition, a spouse with a serious health condition, a parent with a serious health condition or who are out due to the birth, or placement of an adopted or foster child. You need to be employed for 12 months (not necessarily continuous months) and have worked 1250 hours in the last 12 months to be eligible. And you have to work for an employer with 50 or more employees in a 75 mile radius. An eligible employee is entitled to up to 12 weeks per year. The definition of 12 months can vary--it is up to the employer to designate it. Most choose a rolling 12 month definition, but some choose a calendar year.

That being said, a serious health condition requires either an overnight stay in a hospital or treatment of a condition by a medical provider that results in a period of incapacity that exceeds three consecutive calendar days. Then we get into subsequent treatment by a health care provider for the same condition, pregnancy, chronic conditions, etc. If the doctor doesn't certify it as a serious health condition, then the employer doesn't have to grant you the job protection rights under FMLA--the normal sick leave policy applies. The classification of a "serious health condition" is a grey area and the subject of much litigation. A cold or flu is not a serious health condition. But if it leads to pneumonia it may be.

An employer must send the notice regarding the employee's rights and obligations under FMLA to the last address on record. This includes notifying the employee of the deadline for submission of a medical certification, requirement to pay health insurance premiums and the need to submit a fitness for duty note before returning to work. If an employer fails to provide notice in accordance with the provisions of this section of the law, the employer may not take action against an employee for failure to comply with any provision required to be set forth in the notice.

An employer has the right to request medical certification to confirm the existence of the serious health condition. The employer must give you at least 15 days to return the medical certification. Failure to return the certification could result in the denial of leave under FMLA. Once the certification is returned and leave begins, the employer can ask for a re-certification after 30 days. All the health care provider has to do is certify that it is a serious health condition. The specific nature of it does not have to be disclosed. All the employer is entitled to know is the expected duration of absences. An employer cannot converse with your health care provider regarding the serious health condition under FMLA. However, a health care provider representing the employer may contact the employee's health care provider, with the employee's permission, for purposes of clarification and authenticity of the medical certification.

Once leave is granted under FMLA, the employer cannot count that leave toward any disciplinary actions and must maintain your health insurance as if you were an active employee (that means you would have to continue your share of the premiums--but no more than that). However, if while on FMLA business decisions that would have been made require the loss of the job, it is allowed. So, if while you are out, the company discovers that you violated a conduct policy (such as theft) that would have normally caused you to be terminated, they can do so. And if the company down sizes and would have normally laid you off, they can do so--but that's tricky because they have to be able to show that they didn't just choose the person because they were out on FMLA.

After the birth of a child, if the employee returns before the 12 weeks are used up and then requests intermittent leave to extend the leave, the granting of intermittent leave for that purpose is at the complete discretion of the employer. Intermittent leave used for a serious health condition is not up to the discretion of the employer, but it needs to be scheduled at a time that is convenient to the employer for business purposes.

I hope this helps...

HR Diva
 
Well that helps a lot. I defenatly don't have a serious illness or anything. I think I ate something bad or something. Feeling a lot better today, but still going to the Dr. tomorrow.
 
Things never change!

I personally have never had a problem with ASA as far as FMLA was concerned. What I did have a problem with was the Chief Pilots. I have been in the Mil and DCI business for 25 years and have only been called a lier twice. Guess where that happened. You guessed it, ASA. DH and ND. The first time was when I was about the one year mark (5 years ago). I called in to let them know I had a bad ear infection and was going to the ER. Art in screw sched called DH to let him know that I was signed up for a jump seat and the flight was delayed. I still had 5 hours to get to work, but Art decided I was "lying out of my teeth". Art is an Eastern scab. DH called me and told me that I had better have a doctors excuse or else. I stated or else what? Long story short, I quit and told him I have never been called a lier in 20 years with the mil and I am not working for a company that treated people like this. He talked me out of quitting.

Second time was with ND at the 3 year mark. I called in the middle of a 4 day and he called me a lier. I told him to order me to get on the aircraft and I would go. He asked why, and I stated I would let the FAA know. He stated that 6 occurences a year and I would be fired. I explained to him that I didn't care how many the company THOUGHT they need to fire someone, if you are complying with FAA regulations that the court system would have a different intention. He backed off as well.

Bottom line here is that this company is the only one that I have ever worked for that knew I was guilty before the verdict.
 
A sinus infection, or ear infection, or a case of the hershy squirts is a pretty "serious illness" if you are responsible for the lives of 50+ people.. SOMEONES KIDS, SOMEONES MOM, DAD.

If they put that sh!t in my face, I would report it to the FAA so fast it would make their head spin..
 

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