Flops laboratory

[Hobbes]

If we are supposedly in a "laboratory period" from the NMB and frozen from making any changes to salaries, work rules, etc....how did they just issue a brand new SOP effective Jan. 15? If they can do that, can't they give us their promised raise? Makes me think they never intended a raise anyhow and they are just trying to paint the pilots in favor of a union in a bad light.

Someone should ask Tyler just that question and see what lame excuse they have.

 

[FracCapt]

Where is this SOP I hear people talking about? Did I miss a BB email?

 

[Hobbes]

go to the pilots website under SOP documents...there is a new SOP listed...and it is listed as a recent update to the website too....1-15-06

 

[XPGuy]

Didn't you get a CD in your latest envelope from Options? I did.

 

[choppengruven]

That CD is the stand alone Ice traing program I believe.

 

[FracCapt]

Didn't you get a CD in your latest envelope from Options? I did.

Maybe.....it's still sitting on the coffee table, unopened....as are the last 3 or 4 things from Options. It's always just BS, so I don't make it a priority to open them. I guess maybe I'll open this one and see what kind of crap they're trying to pass off on us.

I did hear from a guy I flew with recently that they removed the "more than 3 days" part regarding needing a doctors note if you call in sick....now apparently they can "demand" a doctors note anytime you call in sick... No problem....as long as they start paying the co-pay to go to the doctor, and wait until I can get an appt with my family doctor..

 

[higgy]

Even when you DO get a contract the real work comes with enforcement!!! This is not always easy. It is a difficult job. Not only for your leadership but for the pilots as well. If you think that the company was tough to deal with before just wait. If your experience ends up being anything like ours your going to a a fight on your hands. It is rare that the fight just lasts one or two rounds. It usually goes the distance and the last one standing wins. NJA started asking us to get doctors notices when we called in sick. There was a rumor of one captain who was unwell and the company rewuired a doctors note he told the company that he was to sick to drive. The company said somthing like get your self to the doctor we dont care how you are required to give us a note. So he called an ambulence:laugh: Turns out the company had over a 3500>00 doctors bill they had to pay. If you think about it what doctor is going to give you a note saying that you are medically cappable of flying an airplane when you tell him you are not. Thats a lot of liabilty. anyways my point is they will continue to try push and push. Trying to make things as unpleasent for u as they can untill it comes back to bite them in the a$$. Just my own personal observations as to went on with us. Good luck guys. The bottom line is it comes down to a battle of wills

 

[XPGuy]

Yep, you're sure right. I think the ambulance is a GREAT idea.

If the company REQUIRES you to go to the doctor, then they have to pay all the costs.. ambulence, cab... I wouldn't drive my car, not unless the company is going to pay for the consumables for the car (gas, oil, tire wear, their portions of the license plates and registration fees required for that day, etc.) plus my time (i'm on duty if they are requiring me to do something, that means that they can't charge me a sick day that day).

It is a game, and unfortunately, the company never learns that it loses in such games, because we can expense all of that, since they are "REQUIRING" it... unless they put something in the contract that the pilots approve in contradiction to that.

 

[jetwash]

If I need to get a doctor's note for a sick day I might as well ask the doctor for 5 or 6 days off rather then 1 or 2.

Then I will be able to work 2 or 3 days that rotation rather then 5 or 6.

The company really thought that one out good.

 

[jetwash]

Maybe.....it's still sitting on the coffee table, unopened....as are the last 3 or 4 things from Options. It's always just BS, so I don't make it a priority to open them. .

I wait until I get a nasty e-mail saying they are going to cut off my pay until I send in the paperwork they requested 6 months ago.

I can't seem to find the time, there is just too much porn on the internet.