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I'd be careful about Flight Options. Conduct a search and look at the fractional forum - a lot of negativity there now with many people leaving. I believe that all newhires are required to move to one domicile - I think ATL. Good job on getting an interview but look before you leap and make sure you ask a lot of questions (especially about the recent exodus of pilots)...
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May want to try www.aviationinterviews.com
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Lots of negativity has been all managements fault and has been pretty much developed over the past year. Like anything with management it's all based on personality, our "interim" CEO was fired from USAir regional operations where he ran that into the ground and seems to think doing that to Flops will win him the full time job. How he got the job no one knows, everyone, pilots and owners I think, just want him gone. Hopefully this guy is on the way out as soon as they can get rid of him couldn't be soon enough. Just as quickly as it has gone bad, it can also turn around just as quick with a new attitude in the front office. Fingers crossed.
The biggest gripes have been the domicile issue. A lot of long time options pilots have lost their domiciles. Granted these are some pretty out of the way airports, but they were hired with the agreement that they could fly out of there and management reneged on that. That's a lot of bad blood to stir up. Now there are about 22 what they call Tier 1 domiciles that they are requiring new hires to declare as their domicile. Make sure you are willing to live out of one of those before you hire on.
You also won't be working an 8 and 7 schedule. Now they have what they are calling the "Flex" schedule which will be mandatory for new hires. It's based on a 30 day rotation. You have a guaranteed 9 straight days off somewhere in the 30 days and that will be the same every rotation (days 11-19 off every 30 days for example) and that won't change, although you will originally be assigned which 9 days by scheduling your days won't change. The other times you go to work can vary depending on demand each rotation, but you'll never be home for less than 3 days at a time, you'll never be away more than 8 and you'll only work a total of 15 days out of the 30 so you'll be working 1 day less than on the current schedule in 30 days. If you don't mind a little uncertainty about days home, it's not that bad a schedule, especially compared to a lot of aviation jobs out there. I would think it would be better for anyone with kids because you'd be home more often and would probably only work 8 days in a row rarely (if they give you 8 days in a row you get a minimum of 6 off). I guess the worst you could get in a month would be 7on, 6 off, 8 on then 9 off.
But, all negativity aside, the job itself hasn't changed much and I still enjoy it. We fly a lot of interesting places, the days aren't too long and the pay is still decent, especially compared to most regional jobs where you are putting in 16 hour days, 20 days a month, for an 18k paycheck.
The biggest gripes have been the domicile issue. A lot of long time options pilots have lost their domiciles. Granted these are some pretty out of the way airports, but they were hired with the agreement that they could fly out of there and management reneged on that. That's a lot of bad blood to stir up. Now there are about 22 what they call Tier 1 domiciles that they are requiring new hires to declare as their domicile. Make sure you are willing to live out of one of those before you hire on.
You also won't be working an 8 and 7 schedule. Now they have what they are calling the "Flex" schedule which will be mandatory for new hires. It's based on a 30 day rotation. You have a guaranteed 9 straight days off somewhere in the 30 days and that will be the same every rotation (days 11-19 off every 30 days for example) and that won't change, although you will originally be assigned which 9 days by scheduling your days won't change. The other times you go to work can vary depending on demand each rotation, but you'll never be home for less than 3 days at a time, you'll never be away more than 8 and you'll only work a total of 15 days out of the 30 so you'll be working 1 day less than on the current schedule in 30 days. If you don't mind a little uncertainty about days home, it's not that bad a schedule, especially compared to a lot of aviation jobs out there. I would think it would be better for anyone with kids because you'd be home more often and would probably only work 8 days in a row rarely (if they give you 8 days in a row you get a minimum of 6 off). I guess the worst you could get in a month would be 7on, 6 off, 8 on then 9 off.
But, all negativity aside, the job itself hasn't changed much and I still enjoy it. We fly a lot of interesting places, the days aren't too long and the pay is still decent, especially compared to most regional jobs where you are putting in 16 hour days, 20 days a month, for an 18k paycheck.
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Where do I start? Its a constant degradation of pilots' quality of life, policy by e-mail and take, take, take. Do a search here for Options and I think you'll get the picture. In the almost four years I've been here, they haven't done one thing to improve our quality of life.
On the other hand, they can't even fill a class of 20 newhires right now. The last class had 10, the other 10 assigned to the class backed out. That's good, maybe the company will realize they need to treat their employees better and maybe more people will want to work here. Until then, the mass exodus continues....
On the other hand, they can't even fill a class of 20 newhires right now. The last class had 10, the other 10 assigned to the class backed out. That's good, maybe the company will realize they need to treat their employees better and maybe more people will want to work here. Until then, the mass exodus continues....
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Tier 1 domiciles (where you have to commute from):
ATL BNA BOS BWI CLE DEN DFW EWR IAH IND LAX MCI MCO MIA PHX ORD SFO STL
You must be within 1 hour of your domicile on your day of duty according to policy. So you don't actually have to live there, but you will be on your own to get yourself to your airline flight on time.
Pay is 34k first year, 36k second, 40k the third, 46 the fourth and 52 the fifth. First year captains also make 52, but don't expect an upgrade until you are already making that much. If anyone is telling you quick upgrades, don't believe them. And count on flying a beechjet for many years.
Per diem is about 8k a year for all pay grades. They don't charge you for meals you are caterred (yet) so you actually still pocket a large percentage of that money if you aren't going crazy spending on the road.
Personally I'd rather you didn't come here, or anyone else for that matter. Nothing personal, but if the pool of ready newhires dries up with all the crap they've been pulling, they may get the drift that pilot morale might actually mean something. Doubt it, but it is theoretically possible. In any case, you have to make your own decisions and I won't hold it against you if you come in, it's still better than a lot of aviation jobs out there. If you have any more questions, ask.
ATL BNA BOS BWI CLE DEN DFW EWR IAH IND LAX MCI MCO MIA PHX ORD SFO STL
You must be within 1 hour of your domicile on your day of duty according to policy. So you don't actually have to live there, but you will be on your own to get yourself to your airline flight on time.
Pay is 34k first year, 36k second, 40k the third, 46 the fourth and 52 the fifth. First year captains also make 52, but don't expect an upgrade until you are already making that much. If anyone is telling you quick upgrades, don't believe them. And count on flying a beechjet for many years.
Per diem is about 8k a year for all pay grades. They don't charge you for meals you are caterred (yet) so you actually still pocket a large percentage of that money if you aren't going crazy spending on the road.
Personally I'd rather you didn't come here, or anyone else for that matter. Nothing personal, but if the pool of ready newhires dries up with all the crap they've been pulling, they may get the drift that pilot morale might actually mean something. Doubt it, but it is theoretically possible. In any case, you have to make your own decisions and I won't hold it against you if you come in, it's still better than a lot of aviation jobs out there. If you have any more questions, ask.
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