Flight time logging

[huskerpilot]

Got a flight logging question. Now a days a lot of insurance companies are requiring airplanes that are typed for single pilot operations to be flown with 2 pilots. We have a KA-200 and have this requirement with our insurance. All pilots are ATP rated and have gone to FSI for the 200. How is the non-pilot-flying (right seater) to log the time?

 

[Junior2]

Is this a 135 operation?

 

[huskerpilot]

91 only

 

[340drvr]

It's all in 61.51, but the short answer is 61.51 (e) (1) (i)..........."sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated.........."

Only those legs for which you physically steer the plane may be logged, by one of the two pilots. NO SIC time whatsoever. Well, OK, I suppose if the pilot flying is wearing an instrument training hood, but the pax probably wouldn't like it.
Part 91, if you're right seat gear-b*tch and radio operator, FAA-wise, you're a passenger (or ballast).

 

[midlifeflyer]

Got a flight logging question. Now a days a lot of insurance companies are requiring airplanes that are typed for single pilot operations to be flown with 2 pilots. We have a KA-200 and have this requirement with our insurance. All pilots are ATP rated and have gone to FSI for the 200. How is the non-pilot-flying (right seater) to log the time?

The non-flying pilot logs nothing.

Under 61.51, a precondition to logging flight time in a 2-pilot operation is that, "more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted."

So far anyway, insurance companies don't issue FAA regulations.

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

I like how the guys at Alpha flying log time in a PC12. Dual given while flying for hire.

 

[lookin4better]

In order to build time for a rating ...ie Commercial/ATP etc ....61.51 is ok.....there are many 'legal' ways to log pic time while time building and getting your ratings for the FAA.

However when looking for jobs ( major airlines, LCCs) ......the FAA loose definition of logging PIC time DOES NOT apply.

DO NOT LOG PIC in a 91/135/121 or ANY operation when you are typed in the airplane and flying and NOT the designated Captain.....it may be PIC in accordance with 61.51.....but 99% of reputable jobs out there DO NOT count it as PIC time! " the person responsibile for the flight " is the PIC, not the person flying ' sole manipulator '

If there is a Captain on the crew and you are not it, the time is SIC ..... plain and simple....there is only one PIC on the flight.

If you want to keep track of the legs ( if your typed in the aiplane ) for jobs that may count it as PIC , do it so you can find a way to count it if they accept it ( some 91 and 135 ops may ) but its SIC time for most places.

 

[ackattacker]

The main thing is that only one of you gets to log PIC time (except for the "dual given" scenario which is technically legal but clearly nonsense). And neither of you gets to log SIC time.

So if you are both PIC qualified and trained, then Part 91 you get to work it out amongst yourselves who's PIC. Just don't both log PIC and you are golden.

 

[avbug]

Merely acting as PIC does not entitle you to log the time on a Part 91 flight. Working out who will be PIC doesn't settle the issue of who logs the time.