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Grim Reaper said:
In a commerical (for profit) aviation setting, pilot porductivity and cost control have been, are, and will be a management focus. More and more the pilots are expected to work for their money. Speaking with a United Airline 737 captain is discovered that he is getting nine hours in the hotel and five legs a day. The average United 737 captain is not walking in high cotten and living the dream and he for sure is not making MEGA, MEGA dollars anymore.

And your point is????????????????
 
Point is, it's pretty much the same for everybody. Same issues; too much work, not enough pay, not enough time in the hotel, domicile issues or gateways, turn time between trips, crew meals, too much time on the road; not enough time at home. In the fractionals, no stability in the daily schedule. Briefed one thing only to get the early phone call or the in flight divert. Never enough pilots according to the pilots and never enough pilot productivity according to company management. Same old song just a different choir.
 
Grim Reaper said:
Point is, it's pretty much the same for everybody. Same issues; too much work, not enough pay, not enough time in the hotel, domicile issues or gateways, turn time between trips, crew meals, too much time on the road; not enough time at home. In the fractionals, no stability in the daily schedule. Briefed one thing only to get the early phone call or the in flight divert. Never enough pilots according to the pilots and never enough pilot productivity according to company management. Same old song just a different choir.

yeah but the airline guys are still getting way way more than the fractionals. We are the regionals of the corporate world.
 
Yes, I suppose you are correct but legacy airline types are working more and getting less. The trend will continue. Delta’s new fare structure will accelerate the legacy carrier shift to the LOW COST CARRIER business model. This will set the unions back many years with regard to salary, benefits and work rules. The shift to low cost regional jets is having an impact as well. Routes traditionally covered by mainline aircraft are now ERJ/CRJ routs.

I know that folks at NJA were fond of says, “We’re gonna make NJA the Delta of the fractionals.” They may want to rethink that. Perhaps they should be saying, “We’re gonna make NJA the Southwest of the fractionals.”
 
Grim Reaper said:
Point is, it's pretty much the same for everybody. Same issues; too much work, not enough pay, not enough time in the hotel, domicile issues or gateways, turn time between trips, crew meals, too much time on the road; not enough time at home. In the fractionals, no stability in the daily schedule. Briefed one thing only to get the early phone call or the in flight divert. Never enough pilots according to the pilots and never enough pilot productivity according to company management. Same old song just a different choir.

Being an airline guy I disagree. That is just one man's life at one airline. Just like you can't group all fractional's into a category from talking to one Options guy.
 

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