Flexjet/Jet Solutions

[gret]

What is the relationship between these two companies? Does it have to do with the fact that Flexjet can't hold a Part 135 certificate? If so, how does this work in light of the TAG and AMI shutdown in 2007?

 

[CL300Pilot]

You are correct in that Flexjet, which is wholely owned by Bombardier, a Canadian company, cannot hold a 135 certificate and does not in fact hold one. Jet Solutions LLC. is a US company completely separtate from Flexjet and is our 135 certificate holder. Noone on the JSLLC side is paid by Flexjet or Bombardier. Hope this helps.

What is the relationship between these two companies? Does it have to do with the fact that Flexjet can't hold a Part 135 certificate? If so, how does this work in light of the TAG and AMI shutdown in 2007?

 

[Club ORD FO]

but you gotta admit CL300, we are walking a fine line

 

[EatSleepFly]

but you gotta admit CL300, we are walking a fine line

How so?

 

[gret]

The issue with Tag and AMI was that most of the employees were at TAG, a foreign owned company, while AMI held the air carrier certificate. The FAA determined that TAG was in actual control of AMI and revoked their certificate and they ended up at Sentient.

Probably Flexjet is set up differently. If the air carrier controls dispatch/mtx/ and crewmembers, probably not a problem.

I thought that Bombardier/Flexjet owned part of Jet Solutions.

 

[BengalsFan]

Is Jet Solutions a better, worse, or about equal as far as pay, benefits, qol, etc. in comparison to FlexJet? Never heard of them until reading this post.

 

[Photoflight]

Jet Solutions is merely the 135 side of Flex's house.

The biggest issue with it is to make sure that both the crew and passengers know who has operational control of the flight.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Yes and no. The important part to remember is the JSLLC is soley owned and has nothing to do with Bombardier/Flexjet. While the way we operate are merely identical, there is a clear separation there and that is what keeps us from the TAG/AMI issue.

To answer another question, JSLLC is merely our means of doing the Flex cards, demos and our owners selling and purchasing shares. Also, there are some tax advantages for our owners to be on the 135 certificats as opposed to owning the share themselves. There are no line pilots who are paid by JSLLC directly. At least not that I am aware of. But I am by far no means of a know all be all.

but you gotta admit CL300, we are walking a fine line

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yes and no. The important part to remember is the JSLLC is soley owned and has nothing to do with Bombardier/Flexjet.

who is the dude that owns jet solutions? whoever he is, he does not seem all that involved in his company. dont you think that bombardier tells this guy what to do? I doubt he makes any independent decisions. So I agree that on PAPER they are completely separate companies, but in reality....

and their website was built but a 3 year old: http://www.jetsolutions.com

but then again, I suppose being separate on paper is all we need to stay out of trouble

 

[gret]

Flex owns 49% of JSLLC according to this article-

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...er+Flexjet"&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

 

[Flex-ible]

Is Jet Solutions a better, worse, or about equal as far as pay, benefits, qol, etc. in comparison to FlexJet? Never heard of them until reading this post.

If you work for Flexjet, you work for Jet Solutions. All pilot pay comes from Flexjet - although Jet Solutions technically assigns crews to Part 135 flights.

Flexjet owns 49% of the stock of Jet Solutions, and has a 25% voting interest. That's the maximum allowed by law.

Recently, the FAA noted that Jet Solutions did not have exclusive use of at least one aircraft, a requirement of Part 135. I heard that they purchased a Cessna 172 - and parked it - to meet the requirement.

Some owners want all flights operated under Part 135 for life insurance purposes; policies sometimes do not cover travel on private aircraft but 135 would be considered commercial.

I wish we would get a call sign for Jet Solutions (perhaps "Blue Bely") instead of Tango November call signs.

 

[gret]

Doesn't Flex operate most of their flights Part 135? If so, wouldn't Jet Solutions have to be in "operational control" of them as Flex doesn't possess a Part 135 certificate?

 

[GSXR600]

Doesn't Flex operate most of their flights Part 135? If so, wouldn't Jet Solutions have to be in "operational control" of them as Flex doesn't possess a Part 135 certificate?

60% to 70% of our flights are 91K on which the owner has operational control (call sign Flex Jet XXX). The other 30% to 40% of our flights are 135 on which Jet Solutions has operational control (call sign TNXXXFX).

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

Call sign should be "EffJay." It's still Flexjet, only less so.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Oh but Ed, the FAA would see right through that.

Call sign should be "EffJay." It's still Flexjet, only less so.

 

[gret]

According to the FAA website, Jet Solutions has 98 aircraft on their certififcate. Yet it doesn't appear they have pilots, dispatchers, etc. on the payroll. Nor an exclusive use a/c and a foreign owner holding 49% and calling the shots. Just doesn't seem to wash with all the A008 requirements.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

How does SkyJet fit into that equation? I used to fly for a company that had airplanes on contract with SkyJet. Our POC was Richardson, TX and we sometimes did Flex recovery and Bombardier AOG runs.

 

[gret]

Were you on Jet Solution's certificate? If not, probably not an issue.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

No. We were contract lift for Bombardier SkyJet. I just wasn't ever sure how it fit into the Bombardier family.

 

[GSXR600]

According to the FAA website, Jet Solutions has 98 aircraft on their certififcate. Yet it doesn't appear they have pilots, dispatchers, etc. on the payroll. Nor an exclusive use a/c and a foreign owner holding 49% and calling the shots. Just doesn't seem to wash with all the A008 requirements.

It is amazing how much I learn from all you aviation experts with PhD's on Flight Info!!:laugh:

keep it up guys!!

 

[CL300Pilot]

Actuall Gret, JSLLC does have an aircraft on their certificate for exclusive use and no, it is not a 172. JSLLC has and uses exclusively for nothing but 135 flights a Lear 60. Also, all Flex pilots are trained not only under the Flexjet Ops but JSLLC Ops specs as well. As far as how the rest of the paperwork is handled, I am not even going to try.


CL300Pilot

According to the FAA website, Jet Solutions has 98 aircraft on their certififcate. Yet it doesn't appear they have pilots, dispatchers, etc. on the payroll. Nor an exclusive use a/c and a foreign owner holding 49% and calling the shots. Just doesn't seem to wash with all the A008 requirements.

 

[DowJones]

It doesn't appear that JSLLC has much of a business other than to hold the certificate for Flex. Do they have any of their own employees that are involved with the operations of the a/c?

 

[CL300Pilot]

Yes. They have a DO, a DM and a chief pilot. All 3 positions are held by different people as per the FAR's.

It doesn't appear that JSLLC has much of a business other than to hold the certificate for Flex. Do they have any of their own employees that are involved with the operations of the a/c?

 

[DowJones]

Is the CP, DOM. and DO for Jet Solutions the same as Flexjets?

 

[SDCFI]

Is the CP, DOM. and DO for Jet Solutions the same as Flexjets?

No, if they were it would be hard to argue that they're two separate entities. Flexjet has in the past asked the FAA to come in and audit the office to make sure there's no confusion over who has operational control over a specific flight. IIRC the last time they were there they almost $hit themselves over the fact that we could produce any record they wanted in under 5 minutes, something that took other companies days to come up with. I believe this was even after the TAG revocation. Trust me, the FAA has no issues with the way Flexjet/Jet Solutions do business, and it's their opinion that counts.

 

[DowJones]

The FAA revoked the AMI certificate because it was determined that TAG actually contolled the carrier. The local FSDO had signed off and said everything was fine....and then boom!

One has to wonder what is going on with enforcement actions now that Congress is going after the FAA.

 

[ArtVandalay]

If Jet Solutions has its own Chief Pilot (FT), then we must assume that when flying under part 135 "Jet Solutions" that any problems or questions that arise under that part are answered by that Chief Pilot (FT) correct?? How many of you out on the line call FT when you have an issue on the line? I think not. To me, he exercises no authority under Jet Solutions and, only is Chief Pilot on paper because, to "act" as Chief Pilot, he should be exercising his authority and he does not. This is something that should make all of us a little nervous in light of the TAG situation.

 

[John MClain]

If Jet Solutions has its own Chief Pilot (FT), then we must assume that when flying under part 135 "Jet Solutions" that any problems or questions that arise under that part are answered by that Chief Pilot (FT) correct?? How many of you out on the line call FT when you have an issue on the line? I think not. To me, he exercises no authority under Jet Solutions and, only is Chief Pilot on paper because, to "act" as Chief Pilot, he should be exercising his authority and he does not. This is something that should make all of us a little nervous in light of the TAG situation.

Perfect example of how well Flexjet/Jet Solutions LLC communicate with their pilot group. Fred Turner is not the Jet Solutions Chief Pilot, Freddie Corley is. It's no wonder why rumours run rampant at this company.

 

[DowJones]

who is the dude that owns jet solutions? whoever he is, he does not seem all that involved in his company. dont you think that bombardier tells this guy what to do? I doubt he makes any independent decisions.

Dennis Keith, former President of Flexjet, is the 51% owner. A couple of 135 operaters say that he is trying to get a new certificate with another foreign controlled company.

 

[SDCFI]

Perfect example of how well Flexjet/Jet Solutions LLC communicate with their pilot group. Fred Turner is not the Jet Solutions Chief Pilot, Freddie Corley is. It's no wonder why rumours run rampant at this company.

And, Freddie is NOT on the Flexjet pilot seniority list, and I believe his paycheck comes from JetSolutions and not Bombardier, but don't quote me on that. So, anyone heard anything about the callsign for JSLLC? I heard a few were submitted for ATC approval, but that was a while ago and I haven't heard anything since.