failed writtens..?

[minitour]

Nice call Props. You beat me to it. I will saythat every DPE I've known will make the oral much more difficult if youdon't have a good score on the written, regardless of the sign-off. IfI was the DPE, I'd do the exact same thing.

Mr. I.

From the experiences I've had so far, it made no difference.

I got mid 80s on the PPL and IRA writtens and my private written wasabout a half hour long (which was with another person) and consisted offour questions: Where is Class D airspace on the map (where we were)?;Where can I find LAHSO information?; What is the average fuel burn forthe airplane we're flying today? That was it...

For the IRA, we didn't even go over the written, I had to do a flightplan in front of him and explain why I planned it how I did, etc.

However, I've been told already that my Commercial SE and CFI rides, they willgo over what I missed on the written. Lucky me, I got mid 90s soI only have a few questions to answer. But that's how thosespecific examiners run an oral. My CFI oral (I've already beentold) is going to be what I missed, an FOI question or two (since I gotthose all right), perhaps a reg question, and lets go fly...

But I really, honestly, unless you absolutely want a high score, wouldnot sweat a 71%. Just know your stuff before the ride (and youwill, or your CFi won't sign you off) and all is good...

-mini

 

[avbug]

The examiner or inspector usually isn't interested in weather you've passed or failed before, but only your present score. You'll be asked more questions, generally, if you have a low score, and concentration will typically be more in the areas you've missed or scored the lowest.

If you scored too high, the same may equally be true; an inspector may want to know if you really know the material, or if you studied the answers to the questions and thus aced the test.

 

[PropsForward]

From the experiences I've had so far, it made no difference.

I got mid 80s on the PPL and IRA writtens and my private written wasabout a half hour long (which was with another person) and consisted offour questions: Where is Class D airspace on the map (where we were)?;Where can I find LAHSO information?; What is the average fuel burn forthe airplane we're flying today? That was it...

For the IRA, we didn't even go over the written, I had to do a flightplan in front of him and explain why I planned it how I did, etc.

However, I've been told already that my Commercial SE and CFI rides, they willgo over what I missed on the written. Lucky me, I got mid 90s soI only have a few questions to answer. But that's how thosespecific examiners run an oral. My CFI oral (I've already beentold) is going to be what I missed, an FOI question or two (since I gotthose all right), perhaps a reg question, and lets go fly...

But I really, honestly, unless you absolutely want a high score, wouldnot sweat a 71%. Just know your stuff before the ride (and youwill, or your CFi won't sign you off) and all is good...

-mini

Honestly, I would say that most DPE's have a set routine they go through for each of the certificates and really don't care about your score. They all seem to have some basic Q's to make sure you're preparted, and then some Q's to teach you some nugget of information that they feel is important.

I get this gist from debriefing my students and hearing the same thing over and over.

 

[minitour]

Honestly, I would say that most DPE's have a setroutine they go through for each of the certificates and really don'tcare about your score. They all seem to have some basic Q's to makesure you're preparted, and then some Q's to teach you some nugget ofinformation that they feel is important.

I get this gist from debriefing my students and hearing the same thing over and over.

Probably. They probably know (or think they know) what eachcertificate or rating applicant should know/understand. I've justbeen lucky enough to talk to the examiners for my CSE/CFI rides andthey flat out tell you "yep, you need to know this and that andthat"...so I guess that's good...or bad, depending on how you look atit.

But I'm sure they do the same thing for each person on the check ride,just that these particular examiners like to use the written as astarting point. Just to make sure you know now what you didn'tknow then, I guess.

-mini

 

[FlyLady]

Honestly, I would say that most DPE's have a set routine they go through for each of the certificates and really don't care about your score. They all seem to have some basic Q's to make sure you're preparted, and then some Q's to teach you some nugget of information that they feel is important.

I get this gist from debriefing my students and hearing the same thing over and over.

I gotta agree. I got a 98 on the PPL written...one question missed. And I still got grilled for 2 hours on the oral. Maybe some DEs base their oral on the written performance. Mine didn't....

 

[PropsForward]

Probably. They probably know (or think they know) what eachcertificate or rating applicant should know/understand. I've justbeen lucky enough to talk to the examiners for my CSE/CFI rides andthey flat out tell you "yep, you need to know this and that andthat"...so I guess that's good...or bad, depending on how you look atit.

But I'm sure they do the same thing for each person on the check ride,just that these particular examiners like to use the written as astarting point. Just to make sure you know now what you didn'tknow then, I guess.

-mini

Yeah, I think each one has that nugget of aviation knowledge they want to pass along, and then they have the items/issues that the FSDO wants emphasized. But the whole nut of it is that they end up developing an efficient program for each ticket that maximized the range of items checked or tested in a given period of time.

 

[PropsForward]

I gotta agree. I got a 98 on the PPL written...one question missed. And I still got grilled for 2 hours on the oral. Maybe some DEs base their oral on the written performance. Mine didn't....

It could also be another red flag or issue caught his attention. I had one PPL student that was the CFI dream student. He had studied for years prior to actually starting the flight training, and excelled at all aspects of his training. He too got a 98 on the written and I sent him for his check ride at 40.1 hrs.



Well, his check ride took better then 6 hours. He passed. In the debrief he said the examiner opened the PTS to page one and checked every item list to the last page. When I debriefed with the DPE, the DPE was pissed! He was not at all happy about me sending a student up for a check ride at 40 hrs. When I queried about the students performance he was happy and complimented his knowledge and skills, but was adamant that someone should not be sent up at the FAA minimum. I never sent another student to him.

 

[FlyLady]

It could also be another red flag or issue caught his attention. I had one PPL student that was the CFI dream student. He had studied for years prior to actually starting the flight training, and excelled at all aspects of his training. He too got a 98 on the written and I sent him for his check ride at 40.1 hrs.



Well, his check ride took better then 6 hours. He passed. In the debrief he said the examiner opened the PTS to page one and checked every item list to the last page. When I debriefed with the DPE, the DPE was pissed! He was not at all happy about me sending a student up for a check ride at 40 hrs. When I queried about the students performance he was happy and complimented his knowledge and skills, but was adamant that someone should not be sent up at the FAA minimum. I never sent another student to him.

That doesn't seem right. If the student demonstrated the knowledge and skills, then that just sounds like prejudice on the part of the DE. Some people learn quicker or study harder than others. Those students who do, shouldn't be penalized by having to train unnecessary hours. My $.02.....