Failed Check Ride Question

[Green2201]

I failed my intitial ATP ride in 1999. The "Notice of Disapproval of Application" form states that I failed for the following reason.

V. Instrument Procedures
Task C. Precisions Approaches


Is this as specific as it gets or does someone know what I really messed up on. I have an interview soon and want to be able to explain what happened but I don't remember.

 

[nosehair]

That's as specific as it gets. There's no more written record anywhere of any more details - not unless your Examiner was (insert your own)**, and was keeping a personal journel of his applicant's mistakes**

 

[Inconceivable]

Don't sweat it. Adopt an attitude of "man, I really screwed the pooch on that approach!" with a smile and a chuckle and it won't matter.

People only ask about them to see if you become a defensive pr!ck who blames the world for a pink slip that really doesn't matter.

 

[nosehair]

People only ask about them to see if you become a defensive pr!ck who blames the world for a pink slip that really doesn't matter.

!!BINGO!!

 

[svcta]

I would have expected an explanation from the examiner in the debrief right on the spot. He kind of owes it to you; how can you expect to correct the "deficiency" if you don't know what it is?

 

[Sunking]

I agree with inconceivable

I got hired with United Airlines with a part 135 IFR bust. I went to the UAL hiring guru , Cheryl Gage and she told me to own up to the mistake and beable to explain what you learned from it. I also included that I had taken some x number of 121 checkrides ,x number of upgrade and pic checks since then all with sucessful results. They want humans that occasionally screw up, learn from it, etc but most of all they want honesty, and integrity.

I passed this on to my buddy with the same background last year and he is now completing his first year at Airtran.

Good luck, you'll do fine

 

[Fedora]

does someone know what I really messed up on. I have an interview soon and want to be able to explain what happened but I don't remember.

I find that one a little hard to believe. I think that anyone who has busted a ride remembers exactly what they did for a very long time. That' part of learning. You make a mistake, it's pointed out, and you try never to do it again. If you really don't remember, you probably weren't very ready for your checkride and it went terrible. (starting to come back?) The examiner probably didn't want to write "all over the sky" and picked one thing specificly to write down as out of tolerance.
Flying throught the localizer, more than one dot deviation with no corrections, or descending below minimums will get you a bust on precision approaches.
Be as honest as possible with yourself and your interviewers and you will be fine. An honest " I had a really bad day and didn't fly well on that ride" will be looked at as honest and forthright. If you can follow it with "I worked hard on my approaches and aced it on my next try", then you'll be fine. As pilots, we all have had a bad checkride at some point or another, as the other poster pointed out, it's how you deal with it that counts.
Good Luck to you. Let us all know how the interview went!

 

[Goose Egg]

As one who has busted a ride (CFII, of all things), I'm here to tell you that the examiner was definitely being a [insert descriptor]. I guess he didn't like how I was flying--the part of it that he was awake for anyway.

Be that as it may, I still commited an error that was worthy of a bust, and even though the guy was behaving like a complete [insert descriptor], I learned a great deal from the experience.

I just won't include anything about the [insert descriptor]-like behavior during an interview.

-Goose