FAA outlaws sharing of charter licenses

[Hawker rider]

For what it's worth I think American Air Network has really stepped up it's program to the better. I've seen a lot of changes, and I am actually seeing this as a pretty professional bunch of people in St. Louis nowadays

 

[scubabri]

I would have to agree with this. I had a friend just put their KA200 through and everything was top notch, and professional. I had a chance to talk to the DO and the CP, and I was impressed with the game plane and their desire to overcome the bad reputation that they have.


We'll see

sb

 

[n5374f]

American Air Network

American Air Network is that the company owned and run by Doug Gilliland and didn't Doug loss all of his pilot licenses for cocaine trafficing or something like that, I am petty sure he had a drug conviction and lost all of his licenses. Plenty of accidents on American Air Networks Certificates and the Michael Jackson Gulfstream Fiasco with Brian Fisk. Seems like all the scum bag operators deal with Doug Gilliland and American Air Network including the company and owners that killed Paine Stewart, I think they started up again on American Air Netorks certificate. Any body who gets shut down by the feds or that is too cheap to play the game with the feds the correct and safe way end up on American Air Network's certificate. Remember the Care Flight Crash that killed a lady when they ran off a runway in Lexington the FO Jim Kessel said under oath that he never had a check ride by American Air Network and they forged his paperwork. Also the Lear 24 that crashed on takeoff last year was on American Air's Certificate. If you value your life stay away

 

[Capt1124]

The problem with these outfits from a surveillance viewpoint is all they do is collect paperwork. Pilots and mechanics they never see send them paperwork, and then they file it for the feds to look at should they want to.

Now, the FAA is very paper oriented, but aren't the management personnel of a certificate holder supposed to supervise and guide the people underneath them? The way pilots and mechanics behave is primarily influenced by the people who they work under daily and get paid by, not by some guys a thousand miles away they talk to on the phone once in a while. You could have 1) an operation that submits fraudulent paperwork. The certificate holder might not know, or they might know and not care. 2) You might have an operation where all the paperwork is legitimate, and all the legal requirements or the FARs and the GOM and GMM are met, but there are bad attitudes and practices that make for a potentially unsafe operation. 3) You could have an operation where all the regs are followed, things are done by the book and if there's any question about good practices management is consulted and provides the needed guidance and supervision.

Those of you who have been in the industry for awhile can guess what the most likely outcome is.

 

[iflyabeech]

American Air Network is that the company owned and run by Doug Gilliland and didn't Doug loss all of his pilot licenses for cocaine trafficing or something like that, I am petty sure he had a drug conviction and lost all of his licenses. Plenty of accidents on American Air Networks Certificates and the Michael Jackson Gulfstream Fiasco with Brian Fisk. Seems like all the scum bag operators deal with Doug Gilliland and American Air Network including the company and owners that killed Paine Stewart, I think they started up again on American Air Netorks certificate. Any body who gets shut down by the feds or that is too cheap to play the game with the feds the correct and safe way end up on American Air Network's certificate. Remember the Care Flight Crash that killed a lady when they ran off a runway in Lexington the FO Jim Kessel said under oath that he never had a check ride by American Air Network and they forged his paperwork. Also the Lear 24 that crashed on takeoff last year was on American Air's Certificate. If you value your life stay away

The problem with these outfits from a surveillance viewpoint is all they do is collect paperwork. Pilots and mechanics they never see send them paperwork, and then they file it for the feds to look at should they want to.

Now, the FAA is very paper oriented, but aren't the management personnel of a certificate holder supposed to supervise and guide the people underneath them? The way pilots and mechanics behave is primarily influenced by the people who they work under daily and get paid by, not by some guys a thousand miles away they talk to on the phone once in a while. You could have 1) an operation that submits fraudulent paperwork. The certificate holder might not know, or they might know and not care. 2) You might have an operation where all the paperwork is legitimate, and all the legal requirements or the FARs and the GOM and GMM are met, but there are bad attitudes and practices that make for a potentially unsafe operation. 3) You could have an operation where all the regs are followed, things are done by the book and if there's any question about good practices management is consulted and provides the needed guidance and supervision.

Those of you who have been in the industry for awhile can guess what the most likely outcome is.

These guys can talk all the BS they want. . . .The management is outstanding at American Air Network.

 

[say again]

It's one of my boss's fantasy airplanes, I know his girlfriend wants a bigger plane

Then you know he'll GET one soon!!!! Power of the pu$$y !!!

 

[surveypilot]

Operational Control is the real determining factor in the shared certificate arrnagement. The 135 certificate holder must have operational control, not the aircraft owner. Like it or not, the fallout from this Challenger accident is going to be far reaching. Our certificate is in under the Birmingham FSDO and I can tell you they are reviewing this subject heavily. Interestingly, the BHM FSDO testified on behalf of Darby.

 

[DisrespectedJ32]

Its about time that this is getting under control. It should have happened long ago. Even though it may cause a disruption initially, in the end it will act to improve the charter industry by improving the image in the eyes of consumers.