F1 engine warming up-Very cool!!!!!

[Pistonpilot]

Here's a video of an F1 engine warming up. Arrows F1 team I think.

Only for broadband connections. 16meg file and worth it!!!


http://www.zoominternet.net/~jonlauer/f1fireup.mpeg

 

[VNugget]

Ho. Ly. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**.

Nice.....

 

[mocaman]

WOE!! Good throttle response. That should be on an airplane

 

[Flywithmike]

Awesome. I really have no idea why NASCAR is so popular, F1 blows the doors off them in speed and technology.

 

[TrafficInSight]

that doesn't look very cool at all actually

 

[MSNFlier]

Very cool...but it's out of date...

You know what's scary about that video clip? It's probably at least 4 or 5 years old because that's how long Arrows has been out of F1 (it was their car/engine). I can't imagine what it must be like to do the same thing now. Then again, that's like setting $100,000, minimum, on fire (cost of a typical F1 engine, minus the research and development costs).

I started following F1 a few years ago and went to the US Grand Prix at Indy in 2003. Amazing. The top speed of F1 cars is actually not higher than a typical IRL car, but they brake and corner like you would not believe.

Watching Michael Schumacher (probably the greatest driver in the history of all racing - 6 or 7 consecutive F1 championships with Ferrari) and some of the others drive these cars is just incredible. Also, you might notice there are almost no drivers over about 38 or 40 in F1: it's because of the g-forces they endure. No pudgy 40-year old NASCAR moonshine runners need apply.

At the US Grand Prix (which I think will be on ABC on June 18 or 19), they reverse the track and run from the start-finish line backward to just before what is Turn 4 for an oval race where they have a 90 degree right-hander into the infield road course, followed by an immediate left-hander and then a carousel to the right. They then come out of the infield between what is the usual Turn 1 and 2 for an oval race, then come screaming down the front straight at about 200 mph. They are flat out until less than 100 meters before that right-hander when they hit the brakes (no anti-lock brakes in F1) and go from about 200 to around 80 or so for the 90-degree right hander. I don't know how many Gs you pull in that kind of braking and hard turn, but I'm guessing something like 4 or 5? I've seen pictures of the ceramic brake rotors they use on the F1 cars glowing red hot in the midst of a race. How hot do those have to be to glow?

The engines in F1 cars are simply amazing. This year all the teams are using V10s, some of which will turn at almost 20,000 RPMs on that Indy front straight. Idle for them is almost 5,000 RPMs. The other technology in the cars is totally state of the art and cutting edge, completely blowing the (fake) doors off of NASCAR and Indy cars.

The budgets of the wealthy teams in F1 are staggering. No one knows for sure, but Ferrari's annual budget is estimated to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 million per year. Now, about $40 to $50 million of that goes to pay Schumacher, but it's still an amazing amount of money. One thing it pays for is 3 teams of aerospace engineers who work in shifts 24 hours a day for about 300 days a year in Ferrari's wind tunnel, testing various aero packages and configurations. Toyota is spending easily over $400 million/yr. over the last few years and employs almost 1,200 people just to work on their F1 team. Honda, BMW, Mercedes and Renault (who is doing very well this year) are not far behind. Neither GM or Ford are involved in F1 today, with Ford bailing out after last year when they sold their Jaguar team to Red Bull.

Well, enough of that. If you have any interest in learning more than these little anecdotes, try www.f1daily.com or www.f1.com Many of the races are very early Sunday mornings, but that's why we have DVRs or TiVo!!!

Fly safe.

 

[TrafficInSight]

Actually I have to admit that I was a little disappointed as I expected an F1 engine as in the Saturn V F1 rocket engine ;P

 

[EagleRJ]

Actually I have to admit that I was a little disappointed as I expected an F1 engine as in the Saturn V F1 rocket engine ;P

Here's a cool video of a test firing of the largest privately developed engine to date, built by Beal Aerospace. It puts out 800,000 pounds of thrust- roughly half that of a Saturn N-1.

Link

I just don't know if I would have left my pickup truck parked in that particular spot....

 

[robertboinski]

that f1 clip is from the end of the season when the engine would no longer be useful for the next season. they do it as kind of a celebration from what ive heard.

 

[cforst513]

how many ponies do those F1 engines create?

 

[gnx99]

900+ HP (I think Honda's at 955HP or so), "normal" gasoline (95-102 octane), normally aspirated, pneumatic valvetrains, 19,000+ RPM.

All at a maximum displacement of 3.0 liters So you're looking at OVER 300HP/Liter! But, back in the early to mid-eighties when they allowed turbos, the BMW 1.5 liter (not a typo) was putting out 1500 HP! 1000HP/Liter

I have a great sound clip of a Renault F1 engine on the test stand. I'll try to find a link to it.

 

[Flechas]

As far as the sound is concerned, nothing lie the Ferrari!!!

 

[TrafficInSight]

Here's a cool video of a test firing of the largest privately developed engine to date, built by Beal Aerospace. It puts out 800,000 pounds of thrust- roughly half that of a Saturn N-1.

Link

I just don't know if I would have left my pickup truck parked in that particular spot....

That left me suitably impressed

and I agree with you on the pickup truck

 

[Flechas]

Here's a cool video of a test firing of the largest privately developed engine to date, built by Beal Aerospace. It puts out 800,000 pounds of thrust- roughly half that of a Saturn N-1.

Link

I just don't know if I would have left my pickup truck parked in that particular spot....

Holly sh!t, that's cool!!!

 

[I.P. Freley]

It's always great to see that there are other F1 fans around, as we're a fairly rare breed in the states. MSNFlier has some good points, but allow me to gently correct a few of them...

You know what's scary about that video clip? It's probably at least 4 or 5 years old because that's how long Arrows has been out of F1 (it was their car/engine). I can't imagine what it must be like to do the same thing now.

The video can't be any more than 5 years old, because that's the first year that Arrows had the "Orange" sponsorship... Thus the uniform of one of the team members seen on the right and on the car's airbox. There's no engine branding visible, or at least discernable, in the video, so the clip could actually be as recent as 2002, the last year Arrows competed. They dropped out halfway through the season when the money ran out.

As for what it would be like to do "the same thing now", the engine in the shot is essentially no different from the engines we see this season, except for the fact that it was a "single use" unit that didn't need to be constructed to last for two full race weekends. Otherwise, the engine formula hasn't changed.

The top speed of F1 cars is actually not higher than a typical IRL car, but they brake and corner like you would not believe.

The top speed of F1 cars is quite noticeably slower, in race trim, than IRL cars. The highest top speed I've seen for an F1 car, or at least remember seeing, is about 215-220mph as compared to an IRL car's 240+ on a straight. The reason for this is simple, F1 cars carry more wing and are not optimised for 250mph speeds because none of their tracks are all-oval, and even at a place like Indianapolis (with the longest uninterrupted straight in the F1 series), they need downforce at much lower speeds for the infield sections. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that an F1 car with minimal wings would be the near-equal of an IRL or CART racer in terms of top speed, but I don't know if they've ever even tried such a thing.

Watching Michael Schumacher (probably the greatest driver in the history of all racing - 6 or 7 consecutive F1 championships with Ferrari)

The 6 straight championships are constructor titles for Ferrari itself. Schumacher has won 7 championships in total, and 5 in a row since 2000. His other two championships were won in the Benetton in 1994 and 1995.

And don't worry, Schumacher-haters, there's almost no way he'll win the championship THIS year. I think it's fair to say that either Alonso or Raikkonen will take it this year... And Ferrari will NOT win the constructor's title.

I don't know how many Gs you pull in that kind of braking and hard turn, but I'm guessing something like 4 or 5? I've seen pictures of the ceramic brake rotors they use on the F1 cars glowing red hot in the midst of a race. How hot do those have to be to glow?

For starters, those brakes are carbon fiber, not ceramic. I don't know what temperature they need to be to glow, but they routinely experience brake temps of around 1000degC, and can handle up to 1200degC for very short periods before they start disintegrating. One of the great benefits of carbon brakes is how quickly they reject heat, with a little help from appropriate brake ducting. By the time the brakes have had a straightaway's worth of time to cool down, they're down under 400degC.

You're spot on in the 4-5G's in braking. Peak deceleration from high speed, where the aerodynamic drag alone accounts for a full G, is about 5.5G (averaging around 5 over a maximum-effort full-stop). I've read that an F1 car can stop from 60mph in about 50ft, which is half what the best of street cars can accomplish. The numbers from higher speeds are even more impressive.

This year all the teams are using V10s

As it has been for a while. The 3.0 V-10 formula is written into the regs. I presume you brought this up because of the impending formula change for 2006, which for those that don't know is 2.4 liters of V8. If you think 19-20k rpm is crazy, just wait and see what these smaller engines can do... Rumor is some of the test engines are up around 21,000 rpm already.

And as for this comment from robertboinski:

that f1 clip is from the end of the season when the engine would no longer be useful for the next season. they do it as kind of a celebration from what ive heard.

The throttle-blippin' thing they were doing in this clip hardly looks unusual. I'm not sure I agree with your assessment that it was an end-of-season "let's destroy the engine" thing. The video makes it look like they're frying the thing, but that's probably just because (lack of) lighting makes it look more impressive, not to mention the fact that normally you'd have the engine cover in place and you wouldn't see what the engine normally looks like. Have you heard how long they run these engines in the garages? Sit across from the pits at an F1 practice session and they're constantly running these things. WAAAAH! WAAAAAHHH!! WAHHHHHHHHH!!!! Make sure to bring your earplugs!

Of course I could be wrong, maybe they were running the thing ultra-lean to make it glow real nice for the camera and planned to drop the lump in the dumpster after they were done.

Anyhoo... Looking forward to the European GP this weekend.

 

[Flying Illini]

why won't it work?
I click the link and the page will load about halfway (progress bar) and then stop. It's been sitting at halfway for over an hour now and this is like the 4th time I've tried it. Any suggestions?

 

[I.P. Freley]

I had the same problem. What I did instead was copy the link, open my QuickTime viewer, clicked "file" and then "open URL in new viewer". A window pops up asking for the URL, and I pasted it in the box.

After that it was a minute or so to DL the clip. Unfortunately I can't SAVE the clip, which I'd like to do...

 

[GravityHater]

I think I need some technical assistance on this video...
It appears to be a reciprocating engine in operation and the clutch engaged, thus the wheels are turning.
The engine is running at a fairly high rpm from the pitch of the audio...
Then you start to see a white/blue glow from the exhaust mouth(s).. what causes that?
Then the entire manifold glows red - again what?
And the engine does not sound as smooth as I thought it might... sounds like my old twin motorcycle with a bad coil, firing every now and then, why?

Thanks!

 

[cforst513]

why won't it work?
I click the link and the page will load about halfway (progress bar) and then stop. It's been sitting at halfway for over an hour now and this is like the 4th time I've tried it. Any suggestions?

try it a 5th time. duh

 

[Flying Illini]

I had the same problem. What I did instead was copy the link, open my QuickTime viewer, clicked "file" and then "open URL in new viewer". A window pops up asking for the URL, and I pasted it in the box.

After that it was a minute or so to DL the clip. Unfortunately I can't SAVE the clip, which I'd like to do...

Hey, that did it, thanks!

Someone needs to tell that tool to get out of the way of the camera. That engine was moving some air around too, the tool's hair was blowing all over the place.