Express jet, how long to get a call?

[siucavflight]

Just wondering how long it took you guys to get a call to interveiw once sending them your resume, I hear that they are desperate to hire, and some have uploaded resumes to their site and it has said screening for months, just wondering what your experience has been like?

 

[turbinesurgeon]

Just wondering how long it took you guys to get a call to interveiw once sending them your resume, I hear that they are desperate to hire, and some have uploaded resumes to their site and it has said screening for months, just wondering what your experience has been like?

They took awhile for me, about 5 months the first time, by then I was working for another regional when they called. I got furloughed from that regional and I recieved priority hiring with Express Jet and it took them about 3.5 months this time and once again I was already hired by another regional. If you really want to work for them be patient.

 

[Auburn_CFI]

It took about 3 months for me. That was a while back, but probably the same time frame. We are hiring at least through the end of the year, 2 classes per month. Then, depending on what happens with our 44 airplanes, probably at least a class per month for attrition. Just my guess.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

69 planes

 

[Auburn_CFI]

69 planes

25 are going to mexico, that leaves 44.

 

[Superpilot92]

25 are going to mexico, that leaves 44.

Really, where is the press release? That COULD happen but HASNT happend. All rumors till it happens.

 

[MarineGrunt]

69 planes

Sorry, I've been out of the loop (in the desert). Are they still losing them? I would have thought there would have been an announcement by now if they had plans for them.....

 

[Auburn_CFI]

Really, where is the press release? That COULD happen but HASNT happend. All rumors till it happens.

Take it easy buddy. No one wants us to keep all the planes more than me. I was under the impression that this was pretty certain. So no, there is no press release yet, at least not in english.

 

[bailey3083]

Why would you want to go work for an airline that will pay you 13k a year?

 

[Auburn_CFI]

Why would you want to go work for an airline that will pay you 13k a year?

Are you talking about ExpressJet?

 

[Knob]

$22.80/hr * 75hr guarantee=$20520 if you never break the 75 hr guarantee. Add the $1.60 per diem, profit sharing, and bonus checks and this is what you'll make if you sit reserve in CLE and never fly. You fly more and your income will go up. I'm sure you already did the research and know all about our pay. If thats the way you add, it's no wonder you got the "You Suck" letter from us!

 

[bailey3083]

Are you talking about ExpressJet?

Yes the tell you 21k a yr but after deductions you are lucky if you pull 1100 a month in. SO yes why would anyone wanna go work for a place the pays them less then McD's does?

 

[ApocketA's_145]

Why would you want to go work for an airline that will pay you 13k a year?

ooook.... tell me how you can get to a major then with 1400 total time??? trust me we dont want to make 19K, but it sounds like ur so smart and have the answers, so how can i bypass all of the 19k/year crap and get to a major making $150,000/year?!!!! hahahahah

 

[bailey3083]

ooook.... tell me how you can get to a major then with 1400 total time??? trust me we dont want to make 19K, but it sounds like ur so smart and have the answers, so how can i bypass all of the 19k/year crap and get to a major making $150,000/year?!!!! hahahahah

First of all I do not work for a Major and have no interested in working for any airline as you are treated more like a slave then an individual. But I spent 4 years flying Part 135 making more then a regional pilot would ever make.
The issue is that everyone accepts the job with excitement which keeps the wages low. Think about it if you are like me ( which i doubt, mommie and daddy probably paid for yours) you went into as much debt as a doctor does but yet you are willing to work for peanuts for all your training?

 

[Auburn_CFI]

You are an idiot. First, you will bring home more than $1100.00 without breaking minimum. Second, no one asked you to apply to XJT and your response had nothing to do with the person's question. Keep quiet and stay in the charter forum since you have such a disdain for regional flying.

 

[dukeaviator]

$22.80/hr * 75hr guarantee=$20520 if you never break the 75 hr guarantee. Add the $1.60 per diem, profit sharing, and bonus checks and this is what you'll make if you sit reserve in CLE and never fly. You fly more and your income will go up. I'm sure you already did the research and know all about our pay. If thats the way you add, it's no wonder you got the "You Suck" letter from us!

Its clear you have some fuzzy math

22.80/hr * 75 = 1710 a month (BEFORE TAXES)
1.60/hr per diem.

Every tax payer knows, Uncle Sam will will get his share, which mean less take home money. If you live in a state where you have to pay state tax, well, makes you wonder why people apply for welfare!

Profit share and bonus checks :laugh: ???? WHAT A JOKE! During my tenure there, I only saw $100.00 profit sharing. as for bonus check, didn't stick around long enough to be disappointed. After realizing I made more money in three months at my last defunct airline than I made in one year at Expressjet, I came to the conclusion that I was wasting my time and left Expressjet! ONE OF THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE and A HUGE MONKEY OFF MY BACK!

As for take home money, if 18% of your gross pay is taken out for taxes, dues, benefits and maybe 401k, you will be lucky if you did bring home 1200/month. As for per diem, don't expect much per diem if you are on reserve. average hours a month on reserve probably around 175hrs. If you get a line, you can probably expect on average 350 hours per diem.

1.60 * 175 = 280
1.60 * 350 = 560

If you have a day trip, per diem is taxed!
I would say, the only thing you said is correct, is if you do fly more, you make more. Unfortunately, if only more peanuts. One has to conclude, management at these regional airlines know that all these young pecker-woods are hard up to fly jets, and they exploit that. The other thing, ALPA only cares about the dues you are paying thing, which leads to the conclusion as to why regional pay is so abysmal a fast pace race to the bottom.

 

[dukeaviator]

You are an idiot. First, you will bring home more than $1100.00 without breaking minimum. Second, no one asked you to apply to XJT and your response had nothing to do with the person's question. Keep quiet and stay in the charter forum since you have such a disdain for regional flying.

Why you so hostile ? If you understand what he was saying and the history behind was he is saying, you would have a least a clue! Looking at your profile, its obvious you haven't been in the industry long enough to understand why you make so much less for doing the same job as the majors. And don't give that crap about more seats for pay. ITS THE SAME RESPONSIBILTY!

 

[siucavflight]

) you went into as much debt as a doctor does but yet you are willing to work for peanuts for all your training?

Wow, what did this have to do with my initial question? And I have a few friends that are doctors, they are anywhere from 300K to 500K in the hole, now I do not know where you did your training but mine cost me about 30K total, and no my parents did not pay, again if you are not going to answer the topic at hand keep your mouth shut.

 

[Hutchman]

Really, where is the press release? That COULD happen but HASNT happend. All rumors till it happens.

The press release said Cal is removing 69 airplanes from service, and Xjet has elected to keep them. So far, Xjet has no one to fly them for. That is not a good situation to be a new hire in.

 

[Auburn_CFI]

Why you so hostile ? If you understand what he was saying and the history behind was he is saying, you would have a least a clue! Looking at your profile, its obvious you haven't been in the industry long enough to understand why you make so much less for doing the same job as the majors. And don't give that crap about more seats for pay. ITS THE SAME RESPONSIBILTY!

I agree we should make more money, but $13,000 a year is way off. He obviously has a great disdain for the airlines, and he is using complete and total fabrication. I have been around the industry my entire life and have seen ups and downs. I am holding out for the ups, glad you left thats one number up for me.

 

[miles otoole]

That is not a good situation to be a new hire in.

Son, we are all dumber for that. May God have mercy on your soul.

 

[ERJFO]

Its clear you have some fuzzy math

22.80/hr * 75 = 1710 a month (BEFORE TAXES)
1.60/hr per diem.

Every tax payer knows, Uncle Sam will will get his share, which mean less take home money. If you live in a state where you have to pay state tax, well, makes you wonder why people apply for welfare!

Profit share and bonus checks :laugh: ???? WHAT A JOKE! During my tenure there, I only saw $100.00 profit sharing. as for bonus check, didn't stick around long enough to be disappointed. After realizing I made more money in three months at my last defunct airline than I made in one year at Expressjet, I came to the conclusion that I was wasting my time and left Expressjet! ONE OF THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE and A HUGE MONKEY OFF MY BACK!

As for take home money, if 18% of your gross pay is taken out for taxes, dues, benefits and maybe 401k, you will be lucky if you did bring home 1200/month. As for per diem, don't expect much per diem if you are on reserve. average hours a month on reserve probably around 175hrs. If you get a line, you can probably expect on average 350 hours per diem.

1.60 * 175 = 280
1.60 * 350 = 560

If you have a day trip, per diem is taxed!
I would say, the only thing you said is correct, is if you do fly more, you make more. Unfortunately, if only more peanuts. One has to conclude, management at these regional airlines know that all these young pecker-woods are hard up to fly jets, and they exploit that. The other thing, ALPA only cares about the dues you are paying thing, which leads to the conclusion as to why regional pay is so abysmal a fast pace race to the bottom.

Okay just to bring some truth to this post I am looking at my first year pay-stubs on CoAir (Continental and ExpressJet's Employee Website).

At ExpressJet you get 2 paychecks a month. One is 1/2 your grantee minus all benefits (medical, dental, vision, uniform, and travel passes), this is your small check and doesn't change based on how much you fly mine was 645.00 take home a month or 826 dollars with roughly 180 dollars deducted from it.

The second check is the other 1/2 of your grantee plus flight overs and any add pay for extra flying or being reassigned or lost days off. This is your big check. My big check varied anywhere from 1046 to 1483. My big check averaged exactly 1295 over my first 12 months. My big checks were normally 1500 - 1900 with anywhere from 300 - 500 worth of deductions.

Taking all of this into consideration my exact average monthly take-home (per-diem included) for my first year was $1940.

I received a 1700 dollar profit sharing check (before taxes) and 4 or 5 100 dollar on-time bonus checks. Pre-tax my income was just over $32,000. Post-tax I did a few bucks over 25,000.

I don't consider it that bad since I just turned 22 and have few expenses (and just graduated to 2nd year pay), next year if I fly as much I should make right about 33000 or 34000 after taxes.

That took about 30 minutes of button punching to figure out and is the exact truth.

I spent 2 months on reserve in CLE and 2 months on reserve in EWR. I average about 14-15 days off a month sometimes 13; I haven't had less than 13 days off since I've been on reserve. This month I got FBO'd twice so I have 22 days off with 98 hours of pay.

Hope that helps.

 

[BeachBummer]

Man, i need to work more i only got 230..... what a bunch of bukkake!

 

[princeton]

Confirm numbers

I can confirm these numbers. My average monthly take-home pay during my three months on reserve at XJT (Ewr) was $ 1920 after taxes including per diem and bonus.

After that you hold a line (was only 2 mths reserve in IAH) and can fly 98 block hours plus 6 or seven hours deadhead pay plus per diem still with 15 days off if you want.

 

[BeachBummer]

I can confirm these numbers. My average monthly take-home pay during my three months on reserve at XJT (Ewr) was $ 1920 after taxes including per diem and bonus.

After that you hold a line (was only 2 mths reserve in IAH) and can fly 98 block hours plus 6 or seven hours deadhead pay plus per diem still with 15 days off if you want.

Dude you work toooooooo much, find a rich chick!

 

[Superpilot92]

Yall can keep talking about this or realize that 1st year pay only lasts 1 year. I know thats a concept for some but year 2 pay is alot better. You arent going to get rich but its not bad if your willing to work.

 

[Ponchus pilot]

I hear they are desperate to hire

Obviously not desperate enough to call you. There are plenty of guys willing to take the job for littlepay.

I can confirm these numbers. My average monthly take-home pay during my three months on reserve at XJT (Ewr) was $ 1920 after taxes including per diem and bonus.

After that you hold a line (was only 2 mths reserve in IAH) and can fly 98 block hours plus 6 or seven hours deadhead pay plus per diem still with 15 days off if you want.

I agree with Bailey. Ive been here for close to 6 years and the only reason Im still flying is that I have another source of income and my wife makes money too. I drop to around 6 days a month so I can make real money at my business. The $1920 a month that the above post mentions really depends on your tax bracket and you should not really count on being on reserve for a short time, you never know how the industry turns out. Also, perdiem is your food money on your trip, most spend more than that unless you dont want to eat much, bring canned food, or dont like to have drinks on the overnight.

The other factor to consider is where you live. If you live somewhere in a smaller town or the midwest you are probably doing well making 4-5k a month. However, if you want to live in places like the west coast this would barely cover rent payment.

As you guys get older you will realize that even that 150K SW capt pay is not much for most people. Take into consideration that you are a W2 employee which means you will get raped on taxes and all the other stuff including, mortgage, ins, kids, dog, etc.. and that just aint much. Add that to minimal quality of life and and not much of family life and the package gets even less attractive.

What I say to all younger bros trying to get in this game is that dont put all you eggs in one basket. This is a highly unstable industry and a very specialized field. At least the military retirees getting into the business have a pension to fall back on.This means that if you are in for a while and get furloughed you dont have other skills. You can count on the pay and QL in this industry to continually go down with time. I think it would be a smart idea to make sure you have a degree (not in aviation) and work for a while in another field or establish a side deal before starting a career in the airlines. Talk to 90% of the senior guys and they will tell you if they could do it all over again they would do this. Good luck.

 

[princeton]

Depends on your point of view

Look if you like being a pilot, the pay is good. If you don't like being a pilot, no pay will ever be enough.

Before I started flying, I had a six figure corporate job. I was miserable: you work 70-80 hour weeks (when you're not busy), you are lucky if you don't have to answer emails on Sunday. When you travel you may fly to Europe overnight and then go straight into all day meetings. While you are at the hotel you are expected to "catch up" with the hundreds of voicemails and emails you missed that day. All that and THERE IS NO STABILITY EITHER. Typically you have to change jobs every three or four years as soon as the next "restructuring" happens!

All in all, you may get paid well but you wont have a life. I can tell you working for an airline is the dream job in comparison unless all you are interested in is the money or don't know what the "real world" is like out there because you've always had cushy pilot/CFI jobs.

 

[pianoman]

Its clear you have some fuzzy math

22.80/hr * 75 = 1710 a month (BEFORE TAXES)
1.60/hr per diem.

Every tax payer knows, Uncle Sam will will get his share, which mean less take home money. If you live in a state where you have to pay state tax, well, makes you wonder why people apply for welfare!

Profit share and bonus checks :laugh: ???? WHAT A JOKE! During my tenure there, I only saw $100.00 profit sharing. as for bonus check, didn't stick around long enough to be disappointed. After realizing I made more money in three months at my last defunct airline than I made in one year at Expressjet, I came to the conclusion that I was wasting my time and left Expressjet! ONE OF THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE and A HUGE MONKEY OFF MY BACK!

Left, or are you the ex-Indy guy we fired because you refused to do walkarounds at the outstations, among other things? Either way it sounds like everyone involved is better off this way.

 

[Ponchus pilot]

All that and THERE IS NO STABILITY EITHER. Typically you have to change jobs every three or four years as soon as the next "restructuring" happens!

Getting laid off in the corporate world is quite different. Dont forget that there is no seniority system so many times one gets the same or better pay at another job. Im more for owning your own business. Either way you have to admit that this industry is one of the most unstable and money walks and BS talks, Its the American way.