Exhausted at CAL

[whatitdoing?]

Anyone else getting their arses handed to them at CAL? I'm new, so this is my first summer, but damn I'm tired. Scheduling is calling trying to junior man me and I'm flying all the time to the FAA limits. I know it's the summer months, but damn I'm exhausted. My friends who've been at CAL for awhile say it's the worst they've ever seen it. Fatigue is a real issue at CAL and i"m starting to think they're going to put one in the dirt if they don't let up on these crazy schedules. Any thoughts?

 

[HalinTexas]

Don't answer your phone.

If you're too tired, call in fatigued. You're violating FAR's otherwise.

 

[Stukadriver]

Work Hard,
Fly Tired.

 

[ferlo]

...........

 

[Charlie Brown]

This should be interesting. I say 6 pages at a minimum...

 

[Stukadriver]

Seriously, yes - it's gotten far worse and something needs to be done about it. PBS isn't helping, either. It has no filter to keep you from being assigned a trip that finishes up in your base at 0900 and sends you right back out that night at 2100 for a redeye turn.

And I agree, don't answer your phone on your days off. Scheduling will hose you enough as it is....

 

[Clipper_Aurora]

here's an idea, quit your b$tching, so many other people would love to have your main line job, but instead of enjoying it your whining! go work for a regional and feel greatly for having what you have

 

[IronCityBlue]

here's an idea, quit yourb$tching, so many other people would love to have your main line job, but instead of enjoying it your whining! go work for a regional and feel greatly for having what you have

Yes, feel very, very greatly, you ungreatlyful feeler you.

 

[kaisersose]

If you're junior to me bid the 777. With BOM coming in Oct even the most junior guys are going to get 19 days off a month (most do now). The way pbs works it will have to spread out the only remaining Europe trips to make legal lines. If we ever get Shanghai it will get even more interesting with the lowest paying trip being a 22 hr TLV (assuming they have to use the aircraft currently in use for London and Paris). Once the 787 comes who knows what they'll do but for now there is no way for a junior lineholder to fly more than 75 hrs unless he picks up a sick call. I feel for you guys, no matter how good a job is if you do it too much it still sucks.

 

[Mookie]

here's an idea, quit yourb$tching, so many other people would love to have your main line job, but instead of enjoying it your whining! go work for a regional and feel greatly for having what you have

We are having the same problem at As right now and although the layovers are better than what I had at a regional, flying tired is flying tired.

I guess what I'm trying to say is...get bent, Aurora...and I hope you don't ever have to have our problem.

Mookie

 

[AA717driver]

here's an idea, quit your b$tching, so many other people would love to have your main line job, but instead of enjoying it your whining! go work for a regional and feel greatly for having what you have

How many time zones do you cross in a 4 day trip in your CRJ? How many red-eyes do you do a month?

Walk a mile... TC

 

[SWA/FO]

Fatigue is a real issue

insert airline name here.

 

[jbDC9]

go work for a regional and feel greatly for having what you have

Umm, yeah... I'd say most of us at CAL have already done that. You know how it goes; do your time at the regionals, then move up to a major. Most of us have been there, so we get it.

 

[thor2j]

Seriously, yes - it's gotten far worse and something needs to be done about it. PBS isn't helping, either. It has no filter to keep you from being assigned a trip that finishes up in your base at 0900 and sends you right back out that night at 2100 for a redeye turn.

And I agree, don't answer your phone on your days off. Scheduling will hose you enough as it is....

Actually, as of last month we have a minimum in base setting for pbs to avoid this. Yes PBS sux beyond belief, but I think it is more of a staffing issue. (which will probably never get better).

 

[8vATE]

How many time zones do you cross in a 4 day trip in your CRJ? How many red-eyes do you do a month?

Walk a mile... TC

Is your "quip" trying to mock an RJ guy's fatigue?

12-14 hour duty days with 5-7 legs flying a slatless 130-140 knot ref approach to outstation airports with short to medium runways AND stand up or sheduled min rest 8 hour layovers?

And you're beetching about doing a one legger red eye or doing your 20 hour Europe layover?

Been there and DONE all that... Regionals/Commuter schedules are not to be mocked!

 

[Stukadriver]

Actually, as of last month we have a minimum in base setting for pbs to avoid this. Yes PBS sux beyond belief, but I think it is more of a staffing issue. (which will probably never get better).

Glad they fixed it. I didn't even notice - I must have been fatigued.....

 

[mamba20]

I'm new at CAL and I have a contract question. Is there anyone on here who is pretty familer with the reserve system and how scheduling can roll days off? If so shoot me a PM please. I think I'm being hosed.

 

[gcsass]

I think part of the point is that Mainline schedules are now looking more and more like those we hated at the commuter level.......

 

[Caesar]

flying a slatless 130-140 knot ref approach to outstation airports

BOOYAAA!!! You just can't argue with that!

 

[whatitdoing?]

Ya Clipper, what red-eye have you done? And I'm not talking about where your boyfriend shot the load......

 

[2ndGenPSA]

We are having the same problem at As right now and although the layovers are better than what I had at a regional, flying tired is flying tired.

I guess what I'm trying to say is...get bent, Aurora...and I hope you don't ever have to have our problem.

Mookie

mookie? who do you fly for? As??? Who is that?
anyhow, it's your class-mate from psa. still at psa.
-AA

 

[On Your Six]

mookie? who do you fly for? As??? Who is that?
anyhow, it's your class-mate from psa. still at psa.
-AA

AS = Alaska Airlines

 

[HalinTexas]

here's an idea, quit yourb$tching, so many other people would love to have your main line job, but instead of enjoying it your whining! go work for a regional and feel greatly for having what you have

Been there done that.

TSA for five years flying Junkstreams. No A/P, no elect. trim, no Y/D, no lav, no FA (on the J32), no APU, no jetway, no ground air. Did I mention the lousy pay and benefits and crappy management?

I quit TSA during Junglejet training to come to ATA. I would have been No. 1 at JFK when I left. I'm spending more time in the right seat at ATA this time around than I did the first time around and I thank my stars that I'm not at a regional.

 

[JAM-BRO]

Yes, feel very, very greatly, you ungreatlyful feeler you.

BUHUHUHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
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[GlobeIII]

OK I'll bite...what is the difference between flying a "slatless" 130-140 kts approach between a 130-140 approach with slats (I think you need bigger slats!).....it all feels the same to me! If you have to TOLD data to support..what's the big deal?

 

[MD11Drvr]

Slatless 130-140 knot approach is surley tough on those of us trying not to over run you folks. When you are landing at 485k and at flaps 50 Vmin 165 knots and the controller asks you to slow down cause you're over taking the RJ in front of you. And you have to be in the touch down zone because you will need all 9000 feet to stop and hope you don't cook the brakes. And this at the end of 12 hour North Atlantic crossing with re-routes across Europe and a random route off flight plan below the tracks at FL280 and you're worried about destination fuel reserves. Blah Blah yadda yadda.

Point is We all have our challenges and life is more interesting that way. If you're not having some fun change jobs or companies. Good Luck

 

[AA717driver]

Is your "quip" trying to mock an RJ guy's fatigue?

12-14 hour duty days with 5-7 legs flying a slatless 130-140 knot ref approach to outstation airports with short to medium runways AND stand up or sheduled min rest 8 hour layovers?

And you're beetching about doing a one legger red eye or doing your 20 hour Europe layover?

Been there and DONE all that... Regionals/Commuter schedules are not to be mocked!

If you took the time to look at my "resume" here, you'd see that I've BTDT, too. So have most of the people here.

The original poster is commenting on how bad the schedule is at CAL. It's a major. It shouldn't suck.

If you're at a regional, it's going to suck. That's the way it works.

BTW, I'll do 14 hour duty days in the same time zone any day before a crossing.

And, I've been flying non-slatted GIV/G450's around for the last three years and I don't need therapy--or sympathy... TC

 

[EMBpilot]

Did F.A. in his last update say that av. lineholder block is 70 and reserve 50? Or was I tired?

Do the 777 guys offset it so much?

 

[Reebo]

I think part of the point is that Mainline schedules are now looking more and more like those we hated at the commuter level.......

It's not that way at the mothership, DELTA!!! I hear it's all 24-36 hr layovers in Paris and Rome. Flying those BIG sexy 767's 1 leg a day. On top of all that you get to wear double breasted jackets with big GOLD hat brass. That's where all the REAL pros are....atleast that's what the General tells me

 

[jbDC9]

It's not that way at the mother ship, DELTA!!! I hear it's all 24-36 hr layovers in Paris and Rome. Flying those BIG sexy 767's 1 leg a day. On top of all that you get to wear double breasted jackets with big GOLD hat brass. That's where all the REAL pros are... at least that's what the General tells me

Sweet! So is it true that DL doesn't lay over in LBB, MAF, AMA, or HRL? I thought I read that once or twice somewhere on this board...

And on an unrelated note, I can't believe we're on page 2 of this thread and Pocono Skank hasn't chimed in yet.