Erj-170

[Mav204]

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?...dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=MTcwMDAwMTM=&static=yes&size=L

Who is operating this new ERJ? Does anybody kno what routs it will be on?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Mid Atlantic, flown by US Air pilots for $5 to $45 less per hour than ASA and Comair pilots on smaller aircraft.

Top pay rates are $58 and $34 per hour!

And ALPA says that they need to keep the E170's at mainline to avoid "lowering the bar," yeah right....

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I don't believe that is technically correct.

MidAtlantic Captain rates START at $58/hr and match the American Eagle Captains rates upwards from there.

The F/O rates START at $34/hr and match the American Eagle F/O rates upwards from there.

The confusion lay in the details. Captains at MidAtlantic will not be offered their US Airways longevity -- so everyone in the left seat at MDA starts at year-one Captain pay.

I could be mistaken and hopefully one of the US Airways furloughees currently in class at MidAtlantic will correct me.

Regardless the payrates are still absolutely miserable for an airplane that is replacing 20% of US Airways' lift. (DC9, MD88, F100, 737-200)

Oh, and by the way. The US Airways pilot group wasn't interested in raising the bar. (obviously) After losing 29.6% of their pilot group to furlough (1800 of 6076) they're obviously just trying desperately to hang on to SOME of the remaining jobs.

At some point you just outsource so much that you become more of a ticket-broker than an airline.

They're scared. They see 30 year careers going up in smoke, retirements going away, retiree medical disappearing ... they're scared and there's likely not a thing that management asks for that won't be ratified by that pilot group.

Makes me glad i'm not there anymore. The uncertainty would be horrible.

-FurloughedAgain - Rediculously Underpaid DCI F/O

 

[Skyward]

Who is operating this new ERJ?

It's not an "ERJ" Embraer doesn't want it categorized as a Regional Jet. http://www.embraer.com.br/

 

[F70pilot]

The type rating says "ERJ 170"

 

[LearLove]

"Makes me glad i'm not there anymore. The uncertainty would be horrible."

Granted I'm not a "hallowed mainline guy" but being in the same boat, Yes it is horrible. I wouldn't wish this feeling on anyone. Thoes 170's are not only replacing the 9, MD, F100, and 737 flying but the Dash stuff as well. Look at the summer bookings in sabre.

Rumor has it they've gone up and down the list for MDA fo's and not many takers. Now the language in whatever number TA it was says they go to the combined WO list next. Well now I hear talk that that somehow got changed and there may be the possibility of hiring off the street without offering positions to WO guys. Screwed again.

 

[Skyward]

The type rating says "ERJ 170"

That's funny both my 120 and 145 type's say EMB.

This is right off the Embraer website:

EMB 120

ERJ 135

ERJ 140

ERJ 145

EMBRAER 170

EMBRAER 175

EMBRAER 190

EMBRAER 195

 

[Swaayze]

No, they haven't gone down the list for MAA FOs from mainline furloughees. I do think, though, that it will follow suit with the other j4j airlines (they have gone down and back up for all the others I believe) and there won't be many takers for the right seat. I think they'll be hiring from WOs by the end of the summer at the latest. They just posted 12 crews for PSA and I suspect they won't fill all those (FOs) from the APL.

 

[rptrain]

FAA TYPE CERTIFICATE DATA SHEET NO. A56NM

This data sheet which is part of Type Certificate No. A56NM prescribes conditions and limitations under which the product for which the Type Certificate was issued meets the airworthiness requirements of the US Federal Aviation Regulations.
Type Certificate Holder Empresa Brasileira de Aeronautica S.A. (Embraer) Av. Brig. Faria Lima, 2170 12227-901 Sao Jose dos Campos, SP Brazil

I. Model ERJ 170-100 STD (Transport Category Airplane) approved February 20, 2004

 

[LearLove]

No, they haven't gone down the list for MAA FOs from mainline furloughees. I do think, though, that it will follow suit with the other j4j airlines (they have gone down and back up for all the others I believe) and there won't be many takers for the right seat. I think they'll be hiring from WOs by the end of the summer at the latest. They just posted 12 crews for PSA and I suspect they won't fill all those (FOs) from the APL.

Thanks Swaayze - we shal see. With 85 170's thats about 850 positions. I'm sure all the Capt positions will go to mainline furloughs. But the FO positions. Say 430 fo's for the E170, maybe 200 will be mainline guys. That leaves 230 positions for WO. Its not much but maybe it will create some movement at PDT and ALG and get some of us downgraded guys back into the left seat again in the Dash.

 

[toa2mdt]

i had heard the same today that they may need wo'd by the end of summer. pdt code a phone says that the off the street hiring was untrue

 

[vmc-hound]

are the 170's economical? I heard the seat miles vs. the fuel economy sux..anyone know?

 

[RUhiring?]

The F/O rates START at $34/hr and match the American Eagle F/O rates upwards from there.

Actually, for the FO's, I believe that the ~$34 is for top of scale. Therefore it does not go up unless there is a yearly contractual increase. There are no longevity increases for the FO's.