ERAU CAPT Program First Grads *caution*

[DKM]

A word of caution if you are looking into Embry Riddle CAPT.

CAPT had its first grads this week and they just sent them out the door. No interviews, not perspective employment, nothing. These grads started the program with 400 hours and finished with 500. The Ab Initio student (0 time) will have less than 350 total time when they graduate. CAPT does not include CFI or Commercial SEL as part of the training. You will need some way to build time.

Without a CFI you are really handiCAPTing yourself.

Now I’m not pointing this out so that we should feel sorry for these guys I’m pointing this out so that future pilots will take a careful look at this program before they jump in.

 

[vclean]

Let them wear uniforms and the possible consideration of a potential interview, maybe, and they'll come running with a check.

 

[Timebuilder]

Let them wear uniforms and the possible consideration of a potential interview, maybe, and they'll come running with a check.

I expect that the shine will come off the airline apple as the new upper limits of typical pay become better known, thanks in part to the internet.

Kids who run with that check now will perhaps become the most vocal proponents of seeking a more lucrative and satisfying career aside from flying. Ask yourself how many pilots you work with really "love to fly?" How many are only interested in the money? The second group will slowly decrease in aviation, leaving a more solid core of the first type. It's a matter of time.

 

[IP076]

Riddle Alum

I'd have to say that this program is probably the dumbest thing they could have done. I think they tried to compete in some way with Flight Safety and the other Florida schools that offer the same stuff.

But, what they should have done, is put this money into the Residential Campus' and Extended Campus'. Maybe, they could have improved certain areas of the school, and not have to charge people a million dollars a semester.

I graduated a while back, before the big onslaught of tuition hikes. I'm glad I went to school there, glad I worked there, learned a lot from both. But, at their current rates, if I had to make the decision again, I could not go there...nor will I probably be ever to send my children there if they wanted.

About the best decision they made was to go after the Air Force Academy contracts...but, they're probably busy **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** ing that one up too....

 

[plunger]

what really amazes me is that people actually pay those prices! funny thing is "those people" are probably the same people who spend countless hours reading message boards, hearing all the bad things, yet still choose to attend such programs. theres a sucker born every minute. even riddle's regular flight training program is completely outrageous these days. i did my private in daytona and talked to many flight students over there and was amazed at what they pay for the degree and flight training. BUT, many of those students came from wealthy families and weren't taking out loans to pay for their education. i never really understood the "professional pilot" degree. don't your ratings convey the fact that your a pro-pilot? a degree on top of that saying the same thing seems a little redundant. hell, i have a degree in aviation mgmt, and i regret that. in retrospect, i would have gotten my a&p or majored in something non-aviation related. hindsite is 20/20 i guess.

 

[TopGun-MAV]

i have heard others say the same things about the riddle capt program. There are other ways out there to progress to the jeavy iron rather than paying top dollar at riddle. I went to tab, they give you gauranteed interviews.

 

[Wiggums]

Yeah, tab is another great school. How did you like PFTing at Colgan?

i feel the need.. the need for speed!!

Another good one for the dorky pilot thread.

 

[TopGun-MAV]

ok mr wiggums,

colgan? i went through training for tab express airline as a matter of fact. i didn't want to go to colagn. they offer different programs.
are you interested in going to tab?

 

[bobbysamd]

TAB P-F-T Flamebait and ERAU P-F-T

i have heard others say the same things about the riddle capt program. There are other ways out there to progress to the jeavy iron rather than paying top dollar at riddle. I went to tab, they give you gauranteed interviews.

Please clue me in. What is "jeavy" iron?

How many interviews does TAB guarantee you until you're hired? Better look at that contract you signed, "Mav." Betcha anything it's just one. A place like that won't crap around with anyone who can't be hired the first time. Moreover, bear in mind that although you are interviewed you are not guaranteed of being hired. Unless, of course, you want to write another P-F-T check.

Also, better clarify what is meant by "airline." Does TAB have a Part 121 certificate? Does it fly regular schedules? Not according to the Tab Express Website:

With our home base in Daytona Beach and operating as an on-demand charter airline, TAB Express Airline will soon serve over a dozen destinations in Florida and the Bahamas, with plans to expand into Georgia, Alabama and the Carolinas in the near future.

(emphasis added)

If it looks like 135, walks like 135 and acts like 135, it is 135! Thus, TAB Express "Airline" is an air taxi operator and not an airline!

(Nothing wrong with Part 135, of course. But TAB is obviously conning its P-F-T customers into thinking they'll be flying for an "airline.")

Better read the fine print of your TAB contract, "Mav," before you are deluded any further. Why don't you just admit it, that you are really TABExpress F/O registered under a different screenname? Here, have another glass of TAB Cola.

Originally posted by IP076
I'd have to say that this program is probably the dumbest thing they could have done. I think they tried to compete in some way with Flight Safety and the other Florida schools that offer the same stuff.

But, what they should have done, is put this money into the Residential Campus' and Extended Campus'. Maybe, they could have improved certain areas of the school, and not have to charge people a million dollars a semester.

graduated a while back, before the big onslaught of tuition hikes. I'm glad I went to school there, glad I worked there, learned a lot from both . . . .

My first, and perhaps, best flying job was at ERAU in Prescott. While some of the politics, training managers and the Riddle Runaround can be extremely irritating, I have a great deal of respect for the place. ERAU is a tremendously stimulating learning environment for students and instructors. I got a great deal out of the place just as an instructor who was hired from the outside. ERAU was an experience I treasure and would recommend to anyone. For these reasons, it bothers me that Riddle would resort to P-F-T to get students.

I agree with IP076; ERAU should stick to doing its thing, which it does well, and not try to be like FlightSafety. I know whereof I speak; FSI was my next job after Riddle.

 

[Flic1]

"FOX 2 AMRAAM LAUCH

GO GO GO GO!!

i feel the need.. the need for speed!!"


WTF?? Is this guy for real??

 

[Lazy8]

For those of us who pay our way through college/life and don't get $1000 checks from our parents every week --- any pilot program at ERAU is a complete waste of effort and cash... it's nothing specific to the CAPT program.
G

 

[The_Russian]

Sad......

It is so sad that ERAU CAPT program is not holding true to it's word. It seems everyone is trying to enter a realm of a turbine/direct training program. But, to no avail. The only people that have successfully pulled it off are FSI and GIA. Provided that the student passes the program with flying colors, these two schools will put up and shut up. If you are good at what you do, you will earn a right seat position with a regional.

Top Gun Mav-

You make people attending these programs look like sh!t. Do you know how much of an idiot you sound like?? I'm sorry dude, I had to say something. I've been holding it back too long. STFU MAN! You are the kind of childish moron that gives these professional programs a bad rap.

I agree with bobby and IP076. They ERAU needs to stick to their guns and not try to change things.

For all of you who are considering these types of programs, DO NOT TRUST ADVERTISING!!! Talk to students of these schools in person. The reason I decided to attend GIA was because I trust these people from having worked at their academy as a CFI. I also saw the program work for two years and witnessed the school back their students 100%. If I knew nothing about the program, I wouldn't have attended. I trusted the fellows at Comair (DCA), and they screwed me. If I would have talked to students, I would have got the real story.

Good Luck!

 

[Dutch]

For those of us who pay our way through college/life and don't get $1000 checks from our parents every week --- any pilot program at ERAU is a complete waste of effort and cash... it's nothing specific to the CAPT program.
G

Hey, just curious what you think of African-Americans, the Polish or any other groups cause you just pigeon-holed me into a stero-type. BTW, mommy and daddy didn't pay for Sh*t and I still think I got excellent flight training.

 

[bobbysamd]

P-F-T

A word of caution if you are looking into Embry Riddle CAPT.

CAPT had its first grads this week and they just sent them out the door. No interviews, not perspective employment, nothing. These grads started the program with 400 hours and finished with 500. The Ab Initio student (0 time) will have less than 350 total time when they graduate.

Typical P-F-T ripoff that I've written so many cautionary posts about. Read my comments above about how distressed I am that Riddle has gone into the P-F-T business.

CAPT does not include CFI or Commercial SEL as part of the training. You will need some way to build time.

No, the idea of P-F-T is to buy a job with an "airline" and avoid instructing, traffic watch, pipeline patrol, flying freight or other "drudgery" flying, which is below some people who fancy themselves as aviation bigshots. You do not get a CFI out of P-F-T.

Without a CFI you are really handiCAPTing yourself.

Yes, you are. Which goes back to points I've made before about getting the greatest number of tangible credentials possible for your training dollar.

(Russian and I have essentially agreed to disagree about GIA. I stand by my earlier comments about GIA's program and, I'm sure, he stands by his.)

 

[Lazy8]

Hey, just curious what you think of African-Americans, the Polish or any other groups cause you just pigeon-holed me into a stero-type. BTW, mommy and daddy didn't pay for Sh*t and I still think I got excellent flight training.

Hey bud, I went to ERAU for two years and the only cornholing going on was ERAU cornholing all their students with tuition, flight costs, and flight line scheduling. I never sad it was bad training, but what sense does it make to go in debt six digits and all you have at the end is 250-400 hours of C172 time? You could have bought yourself a heck of a lot of multi for that much. The only cost-justified degrees at ERAU are the non-pilot ones. Specifically the engineering majors.

G

 

[Dutch]

The only problem I have is the constant assumption that every ERAU alum has a silver spoon up their ass. I don't disagree that the costs are excessive. When you want to fly new aircraft you pay for it, same goes for the new buildings they are putting up. I paid for every penny with scholarships, cash and 25,000 in student loans. 25k for a 4 year degree is not bad. My brother went to a Cal State school and owes more than that. If you work the system you can keep costs down, apply for every scholarship you can and walk in with all your general ed done at a community college. Oh yeah, records will try and claim that you can't transfer in some credits...fight tooth and nail for every single class - the $800 difference per credit is well worth an hours time.

Dutch

PS. don't not apply for a scholarship just because you don't belong to a specific demographic group. I got 2 grand from the 99's over 3 years because they didn't have any women apply and they wanted to give the money away...even if it was to a guy.

 

[100LL... Again!]

On one hand, I feel bad that people throw their hard-earned (in some cases) money away.

On the other hand, I see the attendees of these programs as arrogant. They feel justified in trying to shortcut the process.

Big gamble - big loss potential.

Game over, try again.

 

[standaman]

Well we had Delta Connection Academy yesterday and now we have Embry Riddle today. What flight school shall we go to next.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Go check out the CAPT is crap website and read some of the link to riddle.

They refer to their grads as "Captain". What a hoot!

400 hr "Captains"

If this is not a hand-job from your own school, I don't know what is.

They go on about how they got a low time pilot through a '121' checkride and blather on about how they trained him to have all the command decision making skills, blah, blah as a REAL airline captain.

What a load.

If this guy entertains the slightest idea that he could really command an md-80, then he has proven that it is possible to jerk off while simultaneously receiving a hand job.


Tell you what - any of you that want to, come do some aerobatic training with me in a 150 Aerobat, give me $10,000, and I will sing your praises as being worthy of a Naval Aviator position.

Really. Man! You fly like Yeager!

Cash or charge?

 

[bobbysamd]

Comair v. Riddle P-F-T

Well we had Delta Connection Academy yesterday and now we have Embry Riddle today. What flight school shall we go to next.

DCA only promises that it will provide training leading to Commercial-Instrument-Multi-CFI. Those are tangible credentials that can find a grad work outside of Comair. "The interviews" are the carrot in front of the horse's nose. It takes some doing to get "the interviews," which the recruiters fail to mention.

Compare it with Riddle CAPT. An MD-80 type might be a tangible credential, but will appear hilarious when shown on a 400-hour pilot's resume. The Riddle academics' theory is that someone with an MD-80 type has demonstrated his/her capability to learn lowly RJ systems, which, in their view, make them superior applicants to the ordinary 1500-total-500-multi flight instructor or other pilot. That is baloney. Another case of academics never stepping forth from their ivory towers to experience the real world.

I second 100LL's comments about arrogance.